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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 03:41:33
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Does Lythari have been stated in 3.x ?
Under the new cosmology, what would be the place described in "Silver shadows" ?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 05:31:15
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| I believe they were in Monsters of Faerūn, and I know they were in either Races of Faerūn or the Player's Guide to Faerūn (I want to say it was the former). I'm away from my books right now, so I can't check. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 06:25:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe they were in Monsters of Faerūn, and I know they were in either Races of Faerūn or the Player's Guide to Faerūn (I want to say it was the former). I'm away from my books right now, so I can't check.
Sorry, I missed them in RoF lycantrope section. However, there is no fluff about them in this book and nothing about their special kind of affliction.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Dec 2006 : 07:48:28
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Most of the lythari sources include Monsters of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Elves of Evermeet, Elaine's novels and some of her compiled replies made here at Candlekeep.
The Monstrous Compendium Annual Vol. 4 is also useful, as is 2e's Demihumans of the Realms.
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Edited by - The Sage on 02 Dec 2006 07:49:24 |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 11:40:57
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Ever did a google-search on it??? First thing I found seemed to be pretty decent (if not really reliable - source-wise I mean, as non is mentioned)
Here is the link: http://www.drgnscl.com/lythari.html
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 16:56:19
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| Some of that lore is wrong now since WOTC, in the current books that came out after Monsters of Faerun, decided that lythari also have a hybrid form even though they didn't in 2e or in the early 3e material. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Dec 2006 : 23:23:26
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Originally posted by Kuje
Some of that lore is wrong now since WOTC, in the current books that came out after Monsters of Faerun, decided that lythari also have a hybrid form even though they didn't in 2e or in the early 3e material.
I still keep to the no hybrid form if and when I use lythari in my campaign, regardless of what the current lore says.
I mean... considering the fact that the lythari didn't originally have this hybrid form, and the details that surround their brand of shape-changing, in that it is only passed on by ritual or by procreation, I'm still of the mind that they not true lycanthropes. They are, simply, elves who have the ability to transform into wolves.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 00:38:06
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kuje
Some of that lore is wrong now since WOTC, in the current books that came out after Monsters of Faerun, decided that lythari also have a hybrid form even though they didn't in 2e or in the early 3e material.
I still keep to the no hybrid form if and when I use lythari in my campaign, regardless of what the current lore says.
I mean... considering the fact that the lythari didn't originally have this hybrid form, and the details that surround their brand of shape-changing, in that it is only passed on by ritual or by procreation, I'm still of the mind that they not true lycanthropes. They are, simply, elves who have the ability to transform into wolves.
They probably did them as true lycantrope for simplicity purpose. It's just sad that they weren't included in one of the two Bestiary of the Realms  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 00:42:20
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Originally posted by The Sage
I still keep to the no hybrid form if and when I use lythari in my campaign, regardless of what the current lore says.
I mean... considering the fact that the lythari didn't originally have this hybrid form, and the details that surround their brand of shape-changing, in that it is only passed on by ritual or by procreation, I'm still of the mind that they not true lycanthropes. They are, simply, elves who have the ability to transform into wolves.
As do I. I never liked that change. :) |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
166 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 13:04:09
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| Frostfell novel has an interesting take on the lythari it seems ... |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 15:41:03
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Do tell... I haven't read Frostfell yet, but I'm interested in Lythari lore.
I also disapprove of the hybrid lythari form, and didn't really think that the write up in Races was very adequate, though I haven't looked in monsters of faerun yet.
I made them wild elves with a limited wild shape ability |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 16:25:38
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Originally posted by Besshalar
Frostfell novel has an interesting take on the lythari it seems ...
I repeat Walker, do tell. :) I dunno if I'll even be able to find that novel this week, let alone read it. |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 20:04:31
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Haven't finished the book but haven't seen a hybrid form thus far. :)
They seem to be a sort of barbarian elf tribe. Ofcourse they seem to be cut of from other Lythari and that explains the rather severe differences. Atleast I've never imagined realms elves of anykind being tattooed from head to toe. Thus far it seems like a book that can be recommended and no RSE for a change. |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 21:25:38
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| In races it is very clearly stated that wild elves have a penchant for tattooing, which is echoed in the Elves of Evermeet. It also states that Lythari exist within tribes of Wild Elves transparently (the casual observer is unable to differentiate between the two). Thus the tattooing |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 22:38:07
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When my step son ran a Lythari sorcerer in the game I was DMing, I didn't allow him to use the hybrid form, since it was never mentioned in any of the novels, and it was expressly mentioned to not exist in the original lore. If eventually someone comes along and tries to explain all of this, its a lot easier to add the ability than to explain why they had a hybrid form all along. Personally it feels like a better fit for the race to only allow them to turn into full wolves. Its about running in the wind and knowing what it is like to have the unfettered soul of the hunter, which just makes more sense if you only have the elf/wolf thing going on.
The place that the lythari accessed with their "portals" and the place in between sounded a lot like the Crossroads and Backroads mentioned in Magic of Faerun, and the plane of Faerie. This is by no means an official fact, just what I ran with in my game because of the similarities in the descriptions.
A little more wild speculation about Faerie and how it works in this capacity can be found in this thread:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8069&SearchTerms=Faerie,Toril |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 23:51:33
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Originally posted by Besshalar
Haven't finished the book but haven't seen a hybrid form thus far. :)
They seem to be a sort of barbarian elf tribe. Ofcourse they seem to be cut of from other Lythari and that explains the rather severe differences. Atleast I've never imagined realms elves of anykind being tattooed from head to toe. Thus far it seems like a book that can be recommended and no RSE for a change.
Well, considering that "primeval" nature of most lythari dwellings, the barbarian-aspects attached to this elven race are to be expected.
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 16:53:24
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I am almost done reading Frostfell. I think they are a very good race, one that I would not hesitate to allow in a campaign. Yes, they are more powerful than humans, elves, etc., however they are a great 'role' playing opportunity.
Mark S. gives a very good description of them. Two of the characters in the novel are outcasts, and the traditions and beliefs of the Lythari are fully explored. The novel is very good because of it. Pick it up and join the book club on it here at Candlekeep! |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 17:38:17
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| I echo hammer of Moradins words ! Read Frostfell it really gives them some meat. Although as I understand it they are perhaps a bit more nomadic than their western cousins. And use them the old way . |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 17:47:17
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I get the idea that if I want to learn more about the lythari I should read Frostfell ASAP.
Thanks for the info! |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 12:41:08
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| I just want to echo the sentiments here. Read Frostfell, its a good book |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 21:00:26
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Originally posted by Fillow
Am I wrong if I call them "silver shadows" ?
It's the other name of the race.
Right ?
I don't think it's a name that is widely-used, outside of wood elf communities. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 22:23:11
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Silver shadow? Where does this term come from? Any source?
I just ordered Frostfell. Got intrigued amongst others by the discussion on these boards here at candlekeep........ I am ery much interested what this book will tell me about the lythari.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 23:08:00
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Silver shadow? Where does this term come from? Any source?
It was in the novel by Elaine Cunningham, Silver Shadows. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 23:13:30
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Silver shadow? Where does this term come from? Any source?
It was in the novel by Elaine Cunningham, Silver Shadows.
Alright! Thanks Wooly. Is that another novel heavy with lythari lore or rather not? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 23:35:17
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Silver shadow? Where does this term come from? Any source?
It was in the novel by Elaine Cunningham, Silver Shadows.
Alright! Thanks Wooly. Is that another novel heavy with lythari lore or rather not?
Not really... It was more about Arilyn, her moonblade, and the wood elves of Tethyr. There was a supporting character who was lythari, and some lythari lore, but not a huge amount.
But you should read the book, anyway. It's Elaine. What have you got to lose? |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Sep 2007 : 08:28:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Silver shadow? Where does this term come from? Any source?
It was in the novel by Elaine Cunningham, Silver Shadows.
Alright! Thanks Wooly. Is that another novel heavy with lythari lore or rather not?
Not really... It was more about Arilyn, her moonblade, and the wood elves of Tethyr. There was a supporting character who was lythari, and some lythari lore, but not a huge amount.
But you should read the book, anyway. It's Elaine. What have you got to lose?
Well, if you put it that way - not much I believe. However, First things first, meaning, as Frostfell should be delivered daily I will begin reading that one. However, I will come to Silver Shadows eventually. Had it on my to-read-list already (amongst most other FR novels  ).
Thanks for your clarifications, Wooly.
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Fillow
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 02 Jun 2011 : 16:09:09
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Hi, all.
I've been off the radar for a while. Sorry.
I'm wondering if anyone out there has made an attempt a 4E adaptation of the Lythari. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Lord Karsus
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 03 Jun 2011 : 02:39:59
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-Wow, talk about thread necromancy.
-Anyway, here's a 4e write-up for the Lythari: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19846862/Rules_for_Lythari,_balance_issues
-My own criticisms and likes of it, you can see in the ensuing discussion in that thread.
Thankyou milord ;) |
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