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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
Netherlands
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 Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 10:01:26
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Are there any major events where rebellion of common folk in Fearun lead to shifts in power in regions? It seems the "lesser" people have little to no power in Fearun, a fantasy world where a single powerfull entity could utterly destroy mobs of humanoids. A king with ample resources and arcane support wouldn't be even fazed by rioting mobs and is very difficult to dethrone. Has tyranny traditionally been overthrown by revolts and such in Fearuns history?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 10:40:55
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| Well, the recent war in Tethyr was a combination of civil revolt and noble scheming. Most of the old aristocracy fell either in the bid for power or to the weapons of the oppressed commoners. |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
Netherlands
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 15:52:56
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Tethyr was and now is again a monarchy.
The Mulhorandi rising up against the Imaskari could be counted as a people's rebellion, same goes for the Kingdom of the Stag where Elminster Aumar helped to defeat the magelords.
Aside from that...it requires more coherent thought than I am capable of right now |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 15:55:08
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what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 16:30:06
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| It was a sessation (if that is the right word). Thay did not try to overthrow Mulhorand, rather they tried to get away so to speak |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 16:56:18
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The old Tethyrian monarchy and aristocracy fell and a new queen came to power with more of a popular support some fifteen years later.
There has been more than a few coups in the Realms history, but these have mainly been by powerful individuals or groups such as merchants. There has also been a few cases of "popular risings" which has been used by schemers such as the Zentharim. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 17:18:11
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I disagree that the "lesser" people don't have power. Most of the people in the realms are "lesser" people and not leaders. Without them those leaders would not have any food/resources/materials/etc unless the leaders took the "lesser" people and turned them into slaves.
Nations are built on the commoners/lesser people and without them, there are no nations. Also, I disagree that leaders wouldn't fear revolts. Even if the leader(s) did kill thousands that revolted, that would still effect their nations because then you would be losing farmers, craftsman, etc. |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 17:57:20
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 18:49:52
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Thauramarth
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 20:20:25
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It was a sessation (if that is the right word). Thay did not try to overthrow Mulhorand, rather they tried to get away so to speak
Subject to debate, I would say  - the original Red Wizards Sect rebelled against the God-Kings because they found the theological rule was oppressive and stymied theire research. But a sect of Wizards probably does not qualify as "ordinary folk." |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 20:55:44
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>>Subject to debate, I would say - the original Red Wizards Sect rebelled against the God->>Kings because they found the theological rule was oppressive and stymied theire research. >>But a sect of Wizards probably does not qualify as "ordinary folk."
Preach it brother of the crimson cloth! Just because the Mulhorandi were religious leaders doesn't mean they didn't try to control the lives of the Thayans.
As a side note, a somewhat (vaguely) similar thing happened in Damara when the citadel of assassins came in and wiped the Damaran nobility out in one fell swoop. Granted, they were hired by the red wizard, Zhengyi the Witch-King, to do it. |
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szasstamsgroupie
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 : 07:18:25
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| If you are looking to make a campaign out of it (with no history of this as of yet), Thay's economy is based on slaves. If they were to have an uprising it would really suck. Even though all of the Red Wizards could just zap them, it could have the potential to kill the economy. Oohhhh.... I could see it now. Thay in a great depression. Szass Tam begging the Simbul for scraps from the table. He he he. Like that would ever happen. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 : 07:37:33
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If you are looking to make a campaign out of it (with no history of this as of yet), Thay's economy is based on slaves. If they were to have an uprising it would really suck. Even though all of the Red Wizards could just zap them, it could have the potential to kill the economy. Oohhhh.... I could see it now. Thay in a great depression. Szass Tam begging the Simbul for scraps from the table. He he he. Like that would ever happen.
and then Tam would just cast Animate dead on the corpses of the slain slaves and create a Zombie/Skeleton workforce to replace the slaves |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 : 17:22:39
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Originally posted by szasstamsgroupie
If you are looking to make a campaign out of it (with no history of this as of yet), Thay's economy is based on slaves. If they were to have an uprising it would really suck. Even though all of the Red Wizards could just zap them, it could have the potential to kill the economy. Oohhhh.... I could see it now. Thay in a great depression. Szass Tam begging the Simbul for scraps from the table. He he he. Like that would ever happen.
and then Tam would just cast Animate dead on the corpses of the slain slaves and create a Zombie/Skeleton workforce to replace the slaves
Yeah... Or they'd go out and buy more slaves, or forcibly capture more. Their economy would take a hit, but a slave uprising, by itself, isn't going to be anything more than a temporary setback. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 : 00:22:03
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Originally posted by szasstamsgroupie
If you are looking to make a campaign out of it (with no history of this as of yet), Thay's economy is based on slaves. If they were to have an uprising it would really suck. Even though all of the Red Wizards could just zap them, it could have the potential to kill the economy. Oohhhh.... I could see it now. Thay in a great depression. Szass Tam begging the Simbul for scraps from the table. He he he. Like that would ever happen.
and then Tam would just cast Animate dead on the corpses of the slain slaves and create a Zombie/Skeleton workforce to replace the slaves
Yeah... Or they'd go out and buy more slaves, or forcibly capture more. Their economy would take a hit, but a slave uprising, by itself, isn't going to be anything more than a temporary setback.
Indeed.
As well, I sincerely doubt that most of the Thayvan trading enclaves that have now popped up across the Realms, were exclusively built for legal and authorised trading within the cities they are located in. The Guild of Foreign Trade has now ensured a stable and more efficient backbone network for the potential hiring/trading of new and cheap slave labor forces through the use of these enclaves. Waterdeep's enclave, and its subtle connection to Skullport is proof of that.
I'd imagine this is a practice duplicated in most lawful cities, that also contain Thayvan trading enclaves, but where the trading of slaves is illegal. Whether its portals to a "darker part of the city", or beneath its streets, or perhaps to a specially crafted pocket demiplane attached to a portal within the enclave... the Thayvans will find ways around the laws that prohibit the legal sale of slaves.
And as such, I don't believe there would be sufficient long-term impact to the slave-driven economy of Thay.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2006 : 06:15:51
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If you are looking to make a campaign out of it (with no history of this as of yet), Thay's economy is based on slaves. If they were to have an uprising it would really suck. Even though all of the Red Wizards could just zap them, it could have the potential to kill the economy. Oohhhh.... I could see it now. Thay in a great depression. Szass Tam begging the Simbul for scraps from the table. He he he. Like that would ever happen.
and then Tam would just cast Animate dead on the corpses of the slain slaves and create a Zombie/Skeleton workforce to replace the slaves
You can't have a workable economy using undead... skeletons don't have too many ranks in Craft or Profession, and those intelligent undead who 'could' have ranks in that are, well, always distracted by either bloodlust, the thought of sucking sweet, swweeeet bone marrow, or other distracting things of the genre. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 : 06:21:21
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| People with Craft or Profession Skills arent likely to be slaves there likely to be Thays equivelent of a middle class. Skeletons and Zombies are quite capable of tending farms and digging ditches in fact of you check out the Novel Red Magic their doing exactly that |
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Romaal
Acolyte
Germany
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 : 11:29:35
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| What's about Unther? They're fighting against their occupiers. I think you could call that a rise of the people against the invaders. |
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