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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 00:40:46
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I was just wondering if any dwarven clans, other than the ruling one, was ever mentioned as having been from Ammarindar.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 06:23:38
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Not officially that I recall, although upcoming stuff in Dragon might mention something on Ammarindar. Maybe. Just goes to show what little real information we have on dwarves as opposed to the elves. Even less for gnomes and halflings. Power to the little people!
Edit: IIRC "Cormanthyr" talks about how some clans from Ammarindar migrate to Myth Drannor.
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Edited by - George Krashos on 02 Nov 2006 06:24:39 |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 07:22:48
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The sad plight of the Dwarves indeed. I'm a huge Elf fan but the Dwarves need some face time badly.  |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 08:12:10
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| One would think with the retcon thunderblessing and all that dwarves would get more attention, but unless the next RSE is the reclamation of Shanatar and the severe butt-kicking of the races that had conquered the area (be they surface or Underdark) I fear not much will happen. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 09:42:13
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I was just wondering if any dwarven clans, other than the ruling one, was ever mentioned as having been from Ammarindar.
In what sourcebook did you find the mentioning of the the ruing clan in the first place? Or is the name of the realm the same as that of the ruling clan - Ammarindar?
However, Dwarves Deep has an article with the names of last kings/queens and history of that lost dwarven realm.
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Further, some minor information about Ammarindar and magic items of the realm can be found in the Dungeon Crawl Adventure Hellgate Keep. |
"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht." |
Edited by - Ergdusch on 02 Nov 2006 09:55:39 |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 09:46:17
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Edit: IIRC "Cormanthyr" talks about how some clans from Ammarindar migrate to Myth Drannor.
-- George Krashos
It does but without much going into detail. It only gives the year of the migration nad the number of clans (3), not all from Ammarindar but from Citadell Felbarr as well. |
"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht." |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 13:53:44
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| I think that rebel dwarf priest of Moradin in Llorkh is related to the Ammarindar royality..but I could be wrong.. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 15:17:01
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Edit: IIRC "Cormanthyr" talks about how some clans from Ammarindar migrate to Myth Drannor.
-- George Krashos
Why George, that is exactly why I am interested in said clans  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 15:59:56
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I was just wondering if any dwarven clans, other than the ruling one, was ever mentioned as having been from Ammarindar.
In what sourcebook did you find the mentioning of the the ruing clan in the first place? Or is the name of the realm the same as that of the ruling clan - Ammarindar?
However, Dwarves Deep has an article with the names of last kings/queens and history of that lost dwarven realm.
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Further, some minor information about Ammarindar and magic items of the realm can be found in the Dungeon Crawl Adventure Hellgate Keep.
You make a good point. When I was posting this, I had scoured Dwarves Deep, Lost Empires of Faerun, Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark, and Underdark, and I knew that some of the royalty of the Realm had been named, but in going back and looking at the references, I they were all named by their first name, and even their clan name is not given. |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 22:16:27
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| This is a prevalent problem with specific information on dwarven clans, and dwarves in general. When hints are dropped in the sourcebooks, it would be nice to have a few names. I understand that many players like to use their own information and ideas, but in a setting like the Forgotten Realms there should always be some basic names and information that links everyone's ideas together. |
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Surly Dwarf
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 07 Nov 2006 : 06:47:51
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I don't think it specifies which clan came from where but the clans mentioned as going to Myth Drannor were Snowsbattle and Honedaxe, cannot recall a third name but they were probably the ones kicked out for mining under Myth Drannor.
Seemes a little odd to me that Ammarindar has become a fallen but once powerful kingdom when back in Dwarves Deep they were described as weak,by Dwarven kingdom standards anyway. |
"Governing a large country is like boiling a small fish."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2006 : 15:12:53
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Thanks for the clan names. I searched back through the timeline in Cormanthyr and found those names in the timeline. I went through there before, but I didn't see those before.
At any rate, I think that discreptancy between how Ammarindar seems to be portrayed depends on how you defend "great." Ammarindar was not militarily powerful like other dwarven nations of their day. They apparently didn't have a powerful standing army, but at the same time they were extreemly rich. Its also interesting that they were more worried about setting up a mage's school to oppose Netheril than having a standing army. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2006 : 21:36:33
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First time I ever hear of a dwarven mage school! Really! I thought the stout folk did not really like magic and had/has a rather conservative view on the arcane matters.......
Mmmh - I guess I have to think again! |
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Surly Dwarf
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 08 Nov 2006 : 07:42:33
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| The exiled clan is Clan Tarynstone (LEOF pg.128), that may be the third clan. |
"Governing a large country is like boiling a small fish."
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2006 : 08:14:53
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| KEJR ... do you have a source you would like to share about Ammarindar and their Acarne willingness?? |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2006 : 11:06:10
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Xothol, it was mentioned in Lost Empires of Faerun. Don't have it handy at the moment or I'd cite the page number.
Edit: Okay, page 87 of Lost Empires of Faerun mentions Xothol and the explanation behind its founding. |
Edited by - KnightErrantJR on 08 Nov 2006 11:12:46 |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2006 : 20:36:43
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Basically that it was founded as fears of Netheril grew, as I recal, and then was shut down after Netheril fell.
Ammarindar and Eaerlann are in much the same boat, I've noticed. They get almost no time allocated to them, even though they survived a century longer than Myth Drannor (Eaerlann was the last genuine elven empire to fall) and almost nothing is known about them. Which gives DM's a lot of flexibility (somethign I've definately taken advantage of in my games), but can still be annoying.
The various products can't even agree on how powerful they were (Eaerlann was called both anemic and a powerhouse in the same product). Personally, I tend toward the more powerful end of the spectrum, simply because I can't see two empires in such a dangerous area (orc horde central) being able to survive nearly 5000 years without a significant military and the civilians to support it. |
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Snowblood
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 02 Dec 2009 : 05:27:51
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| add Ironfist and Rockfist to those clans as being heirs to the bloodline of Helmma |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Dec 2009 : 13:23:30
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Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Dec 2009 : 14:49:34
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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Posted - 16 Jun 2015 : 19:58:06
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| I think Ironfist are mentioned in relation to Westdelve near Loudwater, but what shows up on Google is Turgo Ironfist. |
« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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Posted - 16 Jun 2015 : 20:23:56
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| An index I just found had Threlked Ironfist: N:W43, Nikerym Volar 'Ironfist' Honedaxe: FoMD30, Guldagh Ironfist: FR13:33 and Boronuil Ironfist: FR16:10 |
« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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Posted - 18 Jun 2015 : 13:21:15
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| How about the Firehammer clan (SotSC & VgttSC)? |
« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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Known Dwarven Clans from Ammarindar
