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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 16:41:35
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I didnt play the computer game Baldur’s Gate I+II: Throne of Bhaal, and i am interested in how it ended? I cant find info on it on the net:
Questions 1 : Do we have a Greater Bhall Spawn in forgotten realms?
Questions 2 : Is it just likke the higlander movie
sorry if this seems dumb, but i dont play Forgotten relams computer games, and cant fin find info about the hole ideer around the Bhaal Spawn ? I understand that the Bhaal Spawn and the Child of Bhaal are the same thing.
If there are a nother thread on Candelkeep about this plz giv´
Mod Edit: Moved to a different forum where it would be more useful.
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Edited by - Kuje on 27 Oct 2006 16:59:22
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 17:00:17
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| Bhaalspawn material for FR is the novels that are based on the games, plus some Dragon articles, and bits and pieces of mentions in 2e and 3/3.5e material. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 17:14:36
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Just to expand a little on Kuje's initial response...
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Originally posted by Kuje
Bhaalspawn material for FR is the novels that are based on the games, plus some Dragon articles, and bits and pieces of mentions in 2e and 3/3.5e material.
And yes, before anyone asks, the novels are canon -- so says WotC and the authors of the novels.
The characters from the novels were stat’d up in DRAGON #262 for 2e and there is the Bhaalspawn template for 3e in DRAGON #288. There is also the sourcebook Ed wrote that complements the novels -- Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. And the bits in PoF and LEoF.
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Edited by - The Sage on 27 Oct 2006 17:15:25 |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 23:16:45
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Originally posted by The Sage
And yes, before anyone asks, the novels are canon - so says WotC and the authors of the novels.
A fact very much to my dismay, if I may say so..... |
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 23:58:23
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 15:05:28
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| Urg, not the novels! Anything but that! I burned my copy...The library wasn't very happy about that... |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 20:59:02
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Urg, not the novels! Anything but that! I burned my copy...The library wasn't very happy about that...
Burning books - I am shocked!!! You should NEVER do that, no matter how bad it's content. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 20:56:52
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Questions 1 : Do we have a Greater Bhall Spawn in forgotten realms?
I have to ask...what do you mean by "greater bhaalspawn"?
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Questions 2 : Is it just likke the higlander movie
Not really...it's more complicated than that. Just play the game--it's more fun to play than to discuss it.  |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 21:27:32
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
As i understand, the howle ideer is that one are going to be the last.
Like I said...it's really a lot more complicated than that. I don't recall the term "Greater Bhaalspawn" ever being used in either the books or the games.
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I did find the ending on the computer game Baldur’s Gate I+II: Throne of Bhaal, and as i understand... there are only one Bhaal Spawn left? hhheyy.. eny of you played this computer game?Throne of Bhaal, i just read the spoilers on the game, on the net.
I've played all the BG games many times over. I personally think it's better to just experience the story as a whole rather than read the endings out of context. Just my humble opinion. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 22:30:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I've played all the BG games many times over. I personally think it's better to just experience the story as a whole rather than read the endings out of context. Just my humble opinion.
I have played the games as well, and I have to say, I feel the same way. It is so much different to play it than to read the story. Reading the book I couln't stop thinking that they only wrote it to include the game story in canon. Such a lame reason really.........
(this is not ment to discredit the author in any way....by the way) |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 23:48:09
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Urg, not the novels! Anything but that! I burned my copy...The library wasn't very happy about that...
Burning books - I am shocked!!! You should NEVER do that, no matter how bad it's content.
Um...Would you be more impressed if I said that the book grew to enormous preportions, devoured my dog, and I had to hack it down with a flaming sword before it tore the world asunder? |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 23:55:37
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Urg, not the novels! Anything but that! I burned my copy...The library wasn't very happy about that...
Burning books - I am shocked!!! You should NEVER do that, no matter how bad it's content.
Um...Would you be more impressed if I said that the book grew to enormous preportions, devoured my dog, and I had to hack it down with a flaming sword before it tore the world asunder?
Well thats what happans when you dont say the words right!
*Evil Dead: Army of Darkness reference* |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 00:09:25
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
I didnt play the computer game Baldur’s Gate I+II: Throne of Bhaal, and i am interested in how it ended? I cant find info on it on the net:
Questions 1 : Do we have a Greater Bhall Spawn in forgotten realms?
Questions 2 : Is it just likke the higlander movie
sorry if this seems dumb, but i dont play Forgotten relams computer games, and cant fin find info about the hole ideer around the Bhaal Spawn ? I understand that the Bhaal Spawn and the Child of Bhaal are the same thing.
If there are a nother thread on Candelkeep about this plz giv´
Mod Edit: Moved to a different forum where it would be more useful.
1: Most of the Bhaalspawn died during the series
2: Sort of, unlike Highlander a Bhaalspawn doesnt gain any power when he kills another Bhaalspawn however the whole idea is that when all the Bhaalspawn die there essense is returned to Bhaal and hes resurrected (its sort of similar to what happaned to Bane with this Banelichs)
As for the BG series being Cannon... I define Cannon as being reflected in FR Rpg source books and presently Bhaalspawn are a mixed bag on that count. BhaalSPAWN have been mentioned on the RPG side of things (They get a brief mention in Lost Empires of Faerun. The Bhaalspawn SAGA (Ie the events that the character plays through in the BG series) is a mixed bag some events are hinted at and some are not the biggest problem is that several events in the BG series arent referenced in the FRC the most significantone being the Razing of Saradash by the Fire Giant Bhaalspawn in BG2 Throne of Bhaal
One of the Bioware guys did a Bhaalspawn template in Dragon magazine (Forget which issue) and basicly it worked alot like the Half Fiend template in that you got more abilities out of the higher your class level |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 00:27:43
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Originally posted by Dargoth
As for the BG series being Cannon... I define Cannon as being reflected in FR Rpg source books and presently Bhaalspawn are a mixed bag on that count. BhaalSPAWN have been mentioned on the RPG side of things (They get a brief mention in Lost Empires of Faerun.
I disagree. The events of the Bhaalspawn saga as depicted in the novels aren't really a mixed bag. We also have an entire sourcebook dedicted to the novels -- Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II -- as well as the reference in PoF, along with those you and I have already mentioned. As well, as I've said before... WotC lists them as taking place in 1368 DR and 1369 DR. Jim Butler has also told us the events are canon in 2000 on the FR Mailing List. And finally, Rich Baker, Ed Greenwood and Ed Bonny have all confirmed this as well. For me, that grounds the novels into the firm bedrock of Realms canon.
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The Bhaalspawn SAGA (Ie the events that the character plays through in the BG series) is a mixed bag some events are hinted at and some are not the biggest problem is that several events in the BG series arent referenced in the FRC the most significantone being the Razing of Saradash by the Fire Giant Bhaalspawn in BG2 Throne of Bhaal
The events of the game aren't referenced in FR canon, as the author, Drew Karpyshyn says, "because of their multiple endings, the BG games can't be considered 'official' in the FR world."
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One of the Bioware guys did a Bhaalspawn template in Dragon magazine (Forget which issue) and basicly it worked alot like the Half Fiend template in that you got more abilities out of the higher your class level
DRAGON #288, as I said above.
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Deverien Valandil
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 07:36:31
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
As i understand, the howle ideer is that one are going to be the last.
I did find the ending on the computer game Baldur’s Gate I+II: Throne of Bhaal, and as i understand... there are only one Bhaal Spawn left? hhheyy.. eny of you played this computer game?Throne of Bhaal, i just read the spoilers on the game, on the net.
The game has different endings, depending on the player's choices:
1) The player chooses to absorb all the essence from all the Bhaalspawns and uses the power to become a good god.
2) The player chooses to absorb all the essence from all the Bhaalspawns and uses the power to become an evil god.
3) The player gives up his essence, and all the Bhaalspawn essence is safely stored away by the powers that be, where it won't be used.
In a nutshell, all the other Bhaalspawn are either dead or they have chosen to give up their essence. In other words, a few are still alive, but they're powerless now.
I never read the novel, so I have no idea if the canon ending is similar. |
Edited by - Deverien Valandil on 30 Oct 2006 07:38:25 |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 23:21:46
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Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by Aglaranna
Um...Would you be more impressed if I said that the book grew to enormous preportions, devoured my dog, and I had to hack it down with a flaming sword before it tore the world asunder?
Well thats what happans when you dont say the words right!
*Evil Dead: Army of Darkness reference*
*grins wryly* I wasn't thinking in quite that direction, but maybe I *should* have used a chainsaw... |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2006 : 02:00:42
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Originally posted by Deverien Valandil
In a nutshell, all the other Bhaalspawn are either dead or they have chosen to give up their essence. In other words, a few are still alive, but they're powerless now.
I never read the novel, so I have no idea if the canon ending is similar.
I wouldn't say that giving up "the essence" makes one powerless per se.
As for the novel, at the end the protagonist does choose to remain a mortal.
As for canon vs. not-canon, come on (this is directed towards everyone). Aren't there more important things in life to argue about? The issue has been settled--let's move on. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 31 Oct 2006 02:01:10 |
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2006 : 07:58:52
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by The Sage
And yes, before anyone asks, the novels are canon - so says WotC and the authors of the novels.
A fact very much to my dismay, if I may say so.....
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I back your words up, with a vengeance!!  Horrible! |
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Victor_ograygor
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