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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
 Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 01:54:50
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Is this even a WotC product?
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 01:59:14
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| Well, the details on the site list the publisher as WOTC, and the authors would appear to be consistant to a WOTC product as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the final title, just as the Draconomicon was. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 02:01:39
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Perhaps not.
Though, and unless this is an error, it is referenced as a D&D supplement. However, both authors have done work on non-WotC products before, with Anthony Pryor apparently being the only one of the two to work on both TSR and WotC products.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 04:22:48
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 04:31:59
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Talk about going to the well one too many times...
The Chinese have 10- 12 names for there years (ie Rat, Monkey Dragon etc)
WOTC obviously decided they only need 2
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 06:34:38
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Talk about going to the well one too many times...
The Chinese have 10- 12 names for there years (ie Rat, Monkey Dragon etc)
WOTC obviously decided they only need 2
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
Year of the Dragons
Year of the Drow
You forgot "Magic." 
On a positive note, this could potentially be a good toolkit of sorts for DMs to adapt to FR. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 08:40:57
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| Isnt 2007 the Year of Dead Horses in the Roll of Years? |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36891 Posts |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 14:35:32
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| It´s a very good new, and I will wait it eagerlly. And it will be better if the book is a generic one. This will left open space for us to see a future Drows of Faerűn. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 14:42:53
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Talk about going to the well one too many times...
I'm glad someone said it 
but I also think the book wouldn't be that bad if (1) they made it a Forgotten Realms book, (2) if they actually (god forbid!) keep away from that old chestnut of Menzoberranzan and the Underdark of the North and cover other drow cities and cultures (I really enjoyed the 2E Drizzt's Guide to the Underdark for that reason) and (3) actually update the drow race after the WotSQ and justify why Lolth's transformation to greater goddess was such a big deal in the first place |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 02:52:41
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I actually don't mind if this is a Core book instead of a Forgotten Realms book. For one thing, while I like drow and using that particular element, I do get tired of FR being seen as the "drow setting" and a good general book about them might help to get people to see them in other settings and (hopefully) to see that there is a ton more to see in FR than drow.
I would like to see a better explanation of the test that drow used to take in the "old days." I know that it technically still happens, but in the old days it was all drow that get over X level, and if they failed, they turned into drider. Now its a bit hazzy who gets tested and why, what they get out if it, and why exactly some drow get turned into driders.
What I don't want to see is some of the issues that cropped up in the "Races of" books, where entire pantheons were reworked, and customs and practices were added to different races that were completely contradictory to previous edition versions of the same cultures. While it doesn't really affect the Realms one way or another, it does make it seem less useful if the cultures discussed in the book don't really resemble Realms cultures at all.
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 14:11:13
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I actually don't mind if this is a Core book instead of a Forgotten Realms book. For one thing, while I like drow and using that particular element, I do get tired of FR being seen as the "drow setting" and a good general book about them might help to get people to see them in other settings and (hopefully) to see that there is a ton more to see in FR than drow.
I would like to see a better explanation of the test that drow used to take in the "old days." I know that it technically still happens, but in the old days it was all drow that get over X level, and if they failed, they turned into drider. Now its a bit hazzy who gets tested and why, what they get out if it, and why exactly some drow get turned into driders.
What I don't want to see is some of the issues that cropped up in the "Races of" books, where entire pantheons were reworked, and customs and practices were added to different races that were completely contradictory to previous edition versions of the same cultures. While it doesn't really affect the Realms one way or another, it does make it seem less useful if the cultures discussed in the book don't really resemble Realms cultures at all.
I know what you are saying...but we'll have to see if it will be a "draconomicon"-style or "Races of" style book...but in 3E, even if you don't count the Realmsian drow lore there is still a ton of drow info...I really don't see the need for a "drow" book other than WoTC R&D thinking what products will hook the younglings, newbies and RAS fans the easiest 
have you ever read that arcticle in Dragon #298 about the different tests of Drow life? it's not that bad  |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 15:14:50
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Oh boy . . . another drow/Underdark book.
I think I'll pass. The Year of the Drow (since 2002) feels like its never really going to end. |
"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 16:00:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
It's hard enough at times to distinguish some discusses between the old Draconomicon and the 3.5e D&D book.
The answer is to use the older book's full title, including the FOR1 product code! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 16:37:03
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While that's true, most posters aren't always aware of the older product codes. And judging from experiences on the WotC boards, some still have problems noting that these codes refer to specific FR 1e/2e sources.
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 18:45:27
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Doesn't this make you feel old Sage (applies to yours truly as well)
In a way I hope it will be a generic product, current 3e and 3.5e FR products have covered the drow more or less - and let's not forget the novels. Unless, for the current 'young' generation of FR fans WotC decides it is commercially time to revisit Menzo et. al. I hope it will remain some time before we see 'Drow of Faerun' announced as companion volume to 'Drow of the Underdark 2007' |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 01:41:50
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Doesn't this make you feel old Sage (applies to yours truly as well)
Indeed, it does. 
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In a way I hope it will be a generic product, current 3e and 3.5e FR products have covered the drow more or less - and let's not forget the novels.
That's a good point.
And when you consider these sources alongside the 2e FR sources on drow, which again includes novels printed during the days of TSR, you do begin to realise just how extensive the lore on drow and the Underdark is for the FR setting. Enough, hopefully, to convince WotC to instead concentrate on other areas/aspect of the Realms that have never received much attention in any edition.
I'm not sure whether I will purchase this. In a way, I'm almost of the same opinion as the Lady K above. Neither the Underdark nor the Drow have ever really featured heavily in any campaign I've ran, so it's not really material I'll make extensive use of. If I do buy it, the book may end up just sitting on the same shelf that holds the 3.5e Draconomicon... collecting dust.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 02:08:20
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This is another book Ill probably pass on, its going to be totally generic with no realms stuff and its going to focus on specfic sub race that weve already got plenty of info on
The only info we really need on Faerunian drow is the state of their cities post WOSQ |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 15:01:21
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An update for the status of the various deities of the Dark Seldarine post-WotSQ would be nice also.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 09:20:41
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 11:57:33
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| I have to agree with Jorkens here. "No Drow no more" I say, when it comes to sourcebooks. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 12:31:15
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theres proberly more drow to go around allready than any other races ... with the 'small' races even together ... give us another thing ... drows are boring and stereotypic
i know for sure that i wouldn't buy it ... basicly because drows never even remotely interested me, proberly because it have been tied up on young roleplayers that think they know anything ... and then only know something about drows because they threwed though a couple of books |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2006 : 18:23:50
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| for an FR player, this may be useless especially if they have Underdark and older drow materials. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 14:54:03
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| ... and may be not, specially if the book came full of lore, good ideas, and interesting plots. |
Dwarf, DM, husband, and proud of this! :P
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 14:57:14
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
... and may be not, specially if the book came full of lore, good ideas, and interesting plots.
I agree...but then again, with a large library of 1E and 2E material I didn't find the Draconomicon that original...it was mostly a 3E conversion manual to me (with nice pictures) |
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- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 15:22:31
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| Originality, basically, is defined by the degree of sucess that an old concept is remodeled. |
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Drow of the Underdark (2007 Product)
