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Dargoth
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 Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 14:33:51
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Might Trobriand be a Raumathari? It fits with his involvement with constructs........
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 14:37:32
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*shrug*
I would think it is quite possible...but if Trobriand is actually a Raumathar "artificer" (I havn't seen any term for the Raumathar construct builders yet) he doesn't seem to be a very skilled one...except for his scaladar he hasn't had too much success so far...(thinking of the Trobriand's Graveyard map) |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 15:21:15
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be interesting if you took it a step further and that Halaster had recruited his apprentices from the few sruvivors of the fallen kingdoms of Faerun: Imaskari, Raumathari, Netherese, Jhaamdathan etc
Im also pretty sure Halaster had an Elven Apprentice..... |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 15:24:30
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Originally posted by Dargoth
be interesting if you took it a step further and that Halaster had recruited his apprentices from the few sruvivors of the fallen kingdoms of Faerun: Imaskari, Raumathari, Netherese, Jhaamdathan etc
Im also pretty sure Halaster had an Elven Apprentice.....
I think he did too...
It is like he was "farming" different strains of magical talent |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 17:15:15
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| Hmmm, interesting idea. The Imaskari were known as the artificers, but the Raumathari definitely built on Imaskari premises. Also, with so many Raumathari wizards taking the feats to craft magical weapons and armor (after all they were battlemages), it would make sense that they might pick up craft construct. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 17:17:18
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Im also pretty sure Halaster had an Elven Apprentice.....
Jhesiyra Kestellharp, I believe, who later became Magister. |
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 20:49:14
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Hmmm, interesting idea. The Imaskari were known as the artificers, but the Raumathari definitely built on Imaskari premises. Also, with so many Raumathari wizards taking the feats to craft magical weapons and armor (after all they were battlemages), it would make sense that they might pick up craft construct.
It´s stated that the raumathari excel in craft construct. I only don´t remember if is in Unapprocheable East or in Lost Empires of Faerűn.  |
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GothicDan
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 21:15:46
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I never understood that random change to lore. They were noted previously for their specifically powerful evocations, vs. the demonic conjurations of Narfell.
Now, I'm not saying that obviously they wouldn't have designed war-constructs themselves, but I'm a bit curious as to why suddenly the focus went from evocation/battle magic to constructs.
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 22:09:06
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For what I understand of the books, it´s not exactly a change of focus. It´s another facet of raumathari magic: beyond their powerful evocations (warmages sound very "raumathari" to me  ), they too was very good in construct creation - what was a better card in the sleeve against demons that the sole evocation spells, IMHO. |
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GothicDan
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 22:16:17
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I understand it's another facet, it just seems that people seem to be over-emphasizing that facet over the one which was (previously, at least) more famous.
The Warmages can cast a lot of Evocations, almost only. That doesn't make them particularly good at it, though, and in fact any mid or higher level Wizard with the appropriate Feats and Spells could out-damage a Warmage, not to mention the havoc that he could wreck on an actual battle-field...
Battle-field control is more important than just tossing fireballs and magic missiles, and Wizards excel at that. I always imagined the Raumathari Evokers to be more like... Well, the Simbul, actually, in terms of tactics and powers. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 01:03:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Im also pretty sure Halaster had an Elven Apprentice.....
Jhesiyra Kestellharp, I believe, who later became Magister.
Indeed, she did -- (reigned 658-667 DR)
See Secrets of the Magister, Undermountain, and Blackstaff.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 01:10:02
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| No the one Im thinking of is male |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 01:33:53
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Nester? Muiral?
No its not Muiral... Im pretty sure hes an encounter in one of the ruins of Undermountain source books and hes trying to track down and kill Halasters apprentices |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 02:04:07
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That may have been Nester, as I recall.
I'll have to check the book.
Im pretty sure he wasnt undead |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 02:10:53
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Goood Im not going MAD!!
Im thinking of Ezzat, an Elf from Netheril who had become a Lich
Interestingly enough Ezzat was Halaster apprentice before the mad mage built Undermountain |
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 04:16:15
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| en elf from netheril? eww |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 13:55:01
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
*shrug*
I would think it is quite possible...but if Trobriand is actually a Raumathar "artificer" (I havn't seen any term for the Raumathar construct builders yet) he doesn't seem to be a very skilled one...except for his scaladar he hasn't had too much success so far...(thinking of the Trobriand's Graveyard map)
When I made a comment about Trobriand using the construct familiars in the Dragon Magazine article a few months back, Steven kindly chimed in with what he pictured Trobriand to have as a "familiar," which he described as a sort of mechanical snake with a metal head similar to an Alien's (you know, from the movies), that coils around his chest to protect him . . .
Can't find the thread, and no stats associated, but it sounded damnably cool to me. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 15:41:29
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My problem with Trobriand...which is the same problem I have with all of Halisters apprentices...is in 2E they were pretty much "B" level NPCs and not much more than greater "dungeon fodder"...and now they are almost being ret-conned into minor Realms Villans..like Maaril in Waterdeep. I wonder how many Undermountain campaigns the players slaughtered at least a couple of Halister's apprentices
another problem I had recently with Trobriand is the fact he is centuries old and wasn't much better than a tinker in 2E...I'm glad that in 3E with the Craft Construct feat and the number of new and creative construct monsters and templates that he could actually be the "Urza" of the Realms, so to speak |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 17:14:54
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| I don't see it as being anything like a ret-con... They were minor before because they stayed in the background, with a much more prominent baddie around. Something happened -- and is explained -- and they decided to take a more active role in the world. It makes sense, to me. |
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