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Kuje
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 06:53:46
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The Sacred Order of Akabar, a cult in Calimport that worships Dender the Night Serpent.
That's pretty mental. :)
And then there's the Spearbearers of Ubtao in Chult who try to stop her from destroying the world.
Acolyates of the Hidden Flame, a cult of Bazim-Gorag.
All of these are in Champions of Ruin. Yeah, everyone can tell what sourcebook I'm reading. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 08:10:26
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Oh yeah,
Force Grey/Grey Hands of Waterdeep, depending on which source you want to use since they have been renamed in current material. :) Me, I prefer the old name. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31727 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 09:23:52
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As did I. And it's what I still use...
Eric also provided us with WotC reasoning behind the name change --
"WoTC decided that Force Grey felt inappropriate as a group name in the Realms and that Gray Hands was a more appropriate.
My bias is always towards consistency (to a fault), but if I was starting from scratch I would have definitely picked "Gray Hands."
--Eric"
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 09:59:52
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Red Cloak Riders - as far as I know that's the organized militia of Asbrawn, a town located north of Iriabor in the Western Heartlands, close to the Sunset Mountains.
(Don't have my books at hand so please excuse possible minor errors in the location) |
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Drakul
Senior Scribe
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 13:41:48
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Malaugrym, in case they haven't been mentioned.
I'd prolly just repeat others and I'm not going to make a checklist now, so I won't dig through Cloak and Dagger now |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 13:46:34
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Here is what the Preliminary list looks like. Please keep suggesting popular orginizations and advice on how best to compile the list.
Good Aligned Power Groups: Harpers Lords Alliance Witches of Rashemen Moonstars War Wizards Purple Dragons Triadic Knighthood Lords of Waterdeep Hathran Riders of Mistledale Eternal Srinalla Riders of Nesmè Knights of Silverymoon The Seven Sisters Spearbearers of Ubtao Force Grey/Grey Hands Olin Gisae
Evil Aligned Power Groups: Zhentarim Red Wizards of Thay Cult of the Dragon Twisted Rune Knights of the Shield Shadovar Malaugrym The Shade Arcane Brotherhood Eldreth Veluuthra The Night Masks Fey'ri Kraken Society House Jaelre Jaezred Chaulssin Acolyates of the Hidden Flame, a cult of Bazim-Gorag People of the Black Blood
Mage Guilds: The Mage Society Northern Wizards Brotherhood of the Cloaks (Cloaks of Mulmaster) Stared Cloak guild The Cowled Wizards of Amn The Sacred Order of Akabar
Miscellaneous (worth mentioning): Heralds Covenant Sea Ravens Knights of Myth Drannor Gutbuster Brigade Naturalists in Cormyr Naturalists of Myth Drannor
Holy/Unholy Orders: Emerald Enclave Monks of the Long Death Monks of the Dark Moon Order of the Sun Soul Watchful Order The Lords of the Tempest Order of the Black Flame
Thieves Guilds: Shadow Thieves Fire Knives Xanathar Thieves Guild Shadowmasters of Telflamm
Mercenary Company: Bregan D'aerthe
Where would these Orgginizations go: The Iron Throne House Karanok The Kir-lanans Mind Flayers The Rundeen Aurora's Emporium Men of the Basilisk Iron Ring Unworthy of Ilsenine Ba'etith Cryptkey Facilitations The Kaliesh'rai Stray Thoughts Forak-Erach-Naek The Cave of Twelve Teeth The College of Eclipse The Hall of Mental Splendor Circle of Rust Red Cloak Riders
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 14:39:51
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Flames of the Dark Sun House Dlardregeth, the daemonfey/fey'ri aren't an organization, House Dlardregeth is Night Parade The Unseen
As for Hathran...I am not sure that they could be counted as a group since Rashemen is rather unorganized and the Hathran witches gather in covens and are not directly linked.
House Jordain of Halruaa is an organization in a way.
I'll look into merc groups later on. |
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 15:24:42
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quote: Originally posted by The Sage
have already been referenced.
The Riders haven't, though.
actually thats what i was referring to when i said "red something or other in sunset vale" but since thats essentially unintelligible he gets the pts.
and you can categorize them as a military organization... but they mostly just function as an anti darkhold group. |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 15:29:44
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wandering mage, you can label the ba'etith as mage guild. you can label iron throne as merchant or mercenary depending on how you feel you forgot to include mages-regal i was talking about before. they are a mage organization. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 15:31:50
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quote: Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Here is what the Preliminary list looks like. Please keep suggesting popular orginizations and advice on how best to compile the list.
Here is how I would organize and list the groups you have listed so far....also notice that some groups can fill multiple positions....the colored names at the end are the ones I can’t remember off hand...
For some groups, like political, military or mercantile the morality of good/neutral/evil shouldn’t be applied IMO...when a group is “moral” it is making an effort to be moral (i.e. a neutral group does not usually accept strongly good or evil beings)...
also not that racial groups are usually inclusive to one race (like the Malaugrym) and aren’t really an “organization”...if so then “the orcs” and “the elves”would be listed as racial organizations
Good (General) Power Groups Harpers Moonstars Lords Alliance Witches of Rashemen / Hathran Force Grey/Grey Hands Northern Wizards / Wizards of the North
Evil (General) Power Groups The Zhentarim Red Wizards of Thay Cult of the Dragon Twisted Rune Knights of the Shield Arcane Brotherhood of Luskan Eldreth Veluuthra The Night Masks Kraken Society Brotherhood of the Cloaks (Cloaks of Mulmaster) Shadowmasters of Telflamm Shadow Thieves Fire Knives Xanathar Thieves Guild Bregan D'aerthe The Iron Throne House Karanok The Rundeen Iron Ring
Neutral (General) Power Groups Heralds The Naturalists Aurora's Emporium Men of the Basilisk
Political Power Groups Lords Alliance Witches of Rashemen / Hathran War Wizards of Cormyr Lords of Waterdeep Red Wizards of Thay Shadovar / Shade Arcane Brotherhood of Luskan The Cowled Wizards of Amn Brotherhood of the Cloaks (Cloaks of Mulmaster) Shadowmasters of Telflamm Shadow Thieves House Karanok
Mercantile Power Groups The Zhentarim Knights of the Shield The Iron Throne The Rundeen Aurora's Emporium Men of the Basilisk Iron Ring Cryptkey Facilitations
Mercenary/Military Power Groups War Wizards of Cormyr The Purple Dragons (of Cormyr) Riders of Mistledale Riders of Nesmè Knights of Silverymoon Spearbearers of Ubtao Sea Ravens Bregan D'aerthe Unworthy of Ilsenine Red Cloak Riders of Elturil (sp?)
Good (Holy) Power Groups Triadic Knighthood
Evil (Unholy) Power Groups Cult of the Dragon Acolyates of the Hidden Flame, a cult of Bazim-Gorag Monks of the Long Death Monks of the Dark Moon Order of the Black Flame Shadowmasters of Telflamm House Karanok
Neutral (Holy) Power Groups Emerald Enclave
Good (Racial) Power Groups The Seven Sisters Olin Gisae Gutbuster Brigade Order of the Sun Soul
Evil (Racial) Power Groups Shadovar / Shade Malaugrym Eldreth Veluuthra House Dlardregeth / Fey'ri House Jaelre Jaezred Chaulssin People of the Black Blood The Kir-lanans Mind Flayers Unworthy of Ilsenine
Adventuring Groups: Knights of Myth Drannor
Eternal Srinalla The Mage Society Stared Cloak guild The Sacred Order of Akabar Covenant Watchful Order The Lords of the Tempest Ba'etith The Kaliesh'rai Stray Thoughts Forak-Erach-Naek The Cave of Twelve Teeth The College of Eclipse The Hall of Mental Splendor Circle of Rust
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 17:18:42
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Kalin, your work and opinion are very much appreciated! Now if we can only categorize the last few groups at the bottom of the list. I would say we have a decent representation. Not perfect or complete in anyway but enough for my purposes and maybe others too. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 17:29:47
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Oh yeah,
Thought of two more this morn.
Flaming Fist mercenary company of Baldur's Gate. The strongest merc company in the Realms
The Grey Cowled Wizards of Amn.
Also, the Night Parade. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 25 Sep 2006 17:31:34 |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 17:33:43
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quote: Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Kalin, your work and opinion are very much appreciated! Now if we can only categorize the last few groups at the bottom of the list. I would say we have a decent representation. Not perfect or complete in anyway but enough for my purposes and maybe others too.
those names in red, I don't recognize or don't remember easily, I would have to look them up |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 17:37:52
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quote: Originally posted by Kuje
Oh yeah,
Thought of two more this morn.
Flaming Fist mercenary company of Baldur's Gate. The strongest merc company in the Realms
The Grey Cowled Wizards of Amn.
Also, the Night Parade.
I thought of the Flaming Fist too...
basically every group named in Gold and Glory would have to be named...and then Cloak and Dagger..then the three 2E "gods books" for religious organizations...afterwords go to every product that has a "friends/foe" section...The old 1E "Gray Box" listed a few adventuring groups...I remember some in the 2E box set Ruins of Myth Drannor too..
that should cover most of the groups |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 17:47:41
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All the groups from C&D and Lords of Darkness have been named already. :) I double checked them with Wander's list yesterday, which is why I added the ones he forgot.
However, there's many other groups that are mentioned in many sources besides C&D, the deity trilogy, Lords of Darkness, or the 1e/2e campaign box sets. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 20:49:39
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If we can place the red highlighted groups and add a few more popular groups, that would be the start of a list that could grow with time. :) |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 22:37:16
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Champions of Valor has multiple groups within, mostly knightly and monk orders. I also remember the Silver Talons ? that are headed by a dragon, the steelclaws ? that uncivilized order that keep a watch on evil in uncivilized areas and include Wemics and Centaurs, and from the Dragons of Faerun there was a group of half-dragons and such in Essembria. (I am away from my books but only have access to one file from my campaign.)
Another I don't see are the Red Ravens, the mercenary group, based in Arabel.
Also, would you include the Silver Ravens from Sembia?
Old Empires mentions a few, I remember a merc group actively working with the Pharoah that I think he was a wee bit smitten with the leader.
Just from my listing of power groups in my Cormyr campaign I have (that I don't see already listed): Guardians of the Weave, Knights of the Weave, Knightswood Nine Druidic Circle, Alliance of Freesailors, Knights of the Eternal Order, Knights of the Mystic Flame, Order of the Aster, Order of the Red Falcon, Swords of the Lady, Zealots of the Written Word, Vigilant Eyes of the God, Knights of the Merciful Sword, Order of the Golden Lion, Sisters and Brothers of the Ruby Rose, Cultists of the Shattered Peaks, Magelords, and Sunmasters. You already have the baddies listed, not that these can't also be naughty sometimes.
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Drakul
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 07:58:52
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One of the merc companies from Gold & Glory, and I kid you not:
- Clan Hammerhand
dwarven mercenary clan |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 08:07:43
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Also, Durnan's Red Sashes, which also operate in Waterdeep. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 26 Sep 2006 08:34:39 |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 08:20:39
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Oh yes, The Red Sashes! One of the best, IMO. Great thinking, Kuje! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 11:19:26
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quote: Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
One of the merc companies from Gold & Glory, and I kid you not:
- Clan Hammerhand
dwarven mercenary clan
What a silly name! |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 12:38:37
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How could I forget the Red Sashes!? Consider the Hammerhand clan added for Mercenary groups. :) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 16:40:38
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Also, :)
The Ranger's Three.
And I saw that you had the Hathren's but you didn't mention their evil counterparts or the male organization that makes the magical items. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2006 : 17:04:04
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Mercenary Companies from Gold & Glory:
Blacktalons Bloodaxe Company of the Singing Dawn Flaming Fist Golden Legion Llandrydd's Steel Mindulgulph Red Raven Renegades Sailors of the Crimson Sea Society of the Sword Veterans' Guild of Raven's Bluff
Non-Human Companies: Blue Sigil Chill Clann Hammerhand (go team!) Claw Red Thunder Mercenary Corps Servants of the Royal Egg Shard Shieldbreakers Silent Rain Teeth
Regional Companies: Anaconda Bushido Jaguar Guard
Realmspace Companies: Code Helm Emerald Brotherhood Enforcers Gauntlet She-Wolves Sirocco
Specialists: Company of Hunnar Dark Watch Destroyers Masquerade Order of the Silver Lance Sisterhood of the Oaks Windriders Wraith of the Inner Sea Zahara's Krakens
Retired Companies: Company of the Wolf Gray Doom Clan Obarskyr Iron Legion Midnight Men Moonlight Men Red Plumes of Hillsfar Shining Steel Mercenary Company Skykillers
There you have 'em ... enjoy ;) |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 19:38:21
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Thank you so much for the research Mace! This will be a great addition to the list. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2006 : 20:28:19
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Just took Gold & Glory and skimmed through it...
Being an obsessive compulsive collector does have some advantages, all of them not monetary |
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