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sparhawk42
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  17:53:27  Show Profile  Visit sparhawk42's Homepage Send sparhawk42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I have finally gotten around to reading The Avatar Series but I am a bit confused. The listed author on Wizards site is Scott Ciencin but I have found many different places list Richard Awlinson as the author. Now since Wizards site includes a picture of the book with Scott's name on the book I assume he is the author but I was wondering why I keeping finding conflicting info as to the author. Thanks in advance for any help.

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  17:55:49  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally all of the books were credited to "Richard Awlinson" rather than the actual author that wrote them. Eventually when the books were reprinted, Scott Ciencin and Troy Denning got the actual credit for them.

I think this may have come about since it was early in the FR lifespan, and many bookstores didn't have a "shared world" shelf for FR, so it kept the whole series together.
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sparhawk42
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  17:59:33  Show Profile  Visit sparhawk42's Homepage Send sparhawk42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So when I go to the bookstore would it be under Ciencin, Denning, or Awlinson?

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Dremvek
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  18:03:35  Show Profile  Visit Dremvek's Homepage Send Dremvek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Shadowdale would be under Ciencin or Awlinson.

Wizards did this most recently with the D&D branded mini-books under the name of T H Lain, which was another fictional author.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  18:03:45  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If they have the most current edition, they should be listed under Ciencin and Denning, but if the bookstore, as most do, have a separate section for "shared world" books, then the books should all be together under the Forgotten Realms section in "sci-fi/fantasy."
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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  18:04:40  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If the bookstores in your area are like the chain bookstores around here, you'll find all the Forgotten Realms books shelved together in the franchise (Forgotten Realms, Warhammer, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dragonlance, etc.) subsection of the science fiction and fantasy section. So that's where you want to look.
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sparhawk42
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  18:16:44  Show Profile  Visit sparhawk42's Homepage Send sparhawk42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah I've spent the last couple minutes talking to different bookstores on the phone and none of them have it in stock and they all have back orders of a dozen or so copies.

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Edited by - sparhawk42 on 30 Aug 2006 21:09:17
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Kuje
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  18:24:33  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Richard Awlinson was a pen name for the various authors. :)

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 30 Aug 2006 :  21:20:58  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Order them through amazon, that is a safe bet.

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The Sage
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 :  01:01:14  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sparhawk42

I have finally gotten around to reading The Avatar Series but I am a bit confused. The listed author on Wizards site is Scott Ciencin but I have found many different places list Richard Awlinson as the author. Now since Wizards site includes a picture of the book with Scott's name on the book I assume he is the author but I was wondering why I keeping finding conflicting info as to the author. Thanks in advance for any help.

James Lowder talked about this a long while back... I've got his reply here -

"It was purely a marketing decision. At the time, there weren't many Realms books in stores, and the ones that had been released were often shelved in the bookstores by author name—Salvatore, Niles, Greenwood. They hadn't yet been given their own section by the chains. TSR was concerned that the individual Avatar books would be shelved in different places if they didn't have the same author name on them—and the release schedule was far too tight to have one author write all three, so three authors were necessary. Enter “Richard Awlinson.” I think the name was Jim Ward's idea: Awlinson was a derived from “all in one.” The surname had to start with an A so that it would be shelved at the start of the SF section.

I was never a fan of the house name, and pushed to let the authors include their actual names and bios in the back, which is why they show up there, even with the house name on the old covers. Now that the Realms books are shelved together as a series in most stores, there's no need for the house name, which would explain, in part, why Wizards removed it for the new releases."

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The Sage
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James also talks about the development of the "Avatar" trilogy in his interview stored here at Candlekeep (which is actually where I think the above bit I quoted comes from). See here:- http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/interviews/lowder.htm

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sparhawk42
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Posted - 31 Aug 2006 :  03:42:58  Show Profile  Visit sparhawk42's Homepage Send sparhawk42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Indeed I was going to order the whole series through Amazon but I ordered a source book and another novel at the beginning of July and after they sent me a message telling me it was delayed I am still waiting. So until I get those books I guess I'll hold off ordering from them again and pick up the book somewhere else.
And thanks to everyone for the background information about the authors names. I think I understand now. Oh, and thanks for the link to the interview!

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Edited by - sparhawk42 on 04 Sep 2006 18:17:57
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Thauramarth
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Posted - 05 Sep 2006 :  08:32:01  Show Profile Send Thauramarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Richard Awlinson was a pen name for the various authors. :)



I think I remember Troy Denning mention in an interview that "Awlinson" was a twist on "All in One"
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The Sage
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Posted - 05 Sep 2006 :  13:17:57  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, it was Jim Ward's idea.

See the bit I quoted above on 31 Aug 2006 : 01:01:14.

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Edited by - The Sage on 05 Sep 2006 13:19:25
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