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Shemmy
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USA
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 Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 04:58:28
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Originally posted by Ardashir
Odd question here, but how would you fit the 'loths in with the Book of Fiends sin-based daemons or the daemons we'll be seeing in Golarion? I figured that they could all exist, but some worlds are more heavily visited by one 'breed' of daemon than the other.
Well unfortunately I don't have a copy of Book of Fiends, so I can't speak much on the sin-based daemons. Golarion's daemons exist as both a number of castes that include such familiar faces of hydrolothsdaemons, dergholothsdaemons, etc. And then you've got the four castes that operate as overt servitors to the four archdaemons of War/Destruction, Famine/Wasting, Plague, and Death.
So some of the 'loths are there, but most of the more intelligent, and all the upper caste 'loths aren't OGL so can't use them. The daemons are much more internally conflicted than the 'loths (who had the baernaloths playing them like puppets to guide them). The daemons have some guidance, but well, it's rather different. You'll see.
You'll find some thematic similarity to some of the 'loths showing up within Golarion's daemonic society. The meladaemons for instance who serve Trelmarixian the archdaemon of Wasting may come across as similar to some of the upper caste 'loths (and Trelmarixian is partially based on a 'loth from my own campaign). They're rather different in many ways though (the 'loths abhor the divine, while daemons don't care one way or the other really, but they can't fathom the idea of mortal worship, and indeed they despise mortality itself).
You'll see once the book is out. Can't say much more till then. |
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Aureus
Learned Scribe
Luxembourg
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 15:57:58
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Perhaps there are so few good outsiders because it's bad storytelling?
Think about it, when a good oustider requests help from his homeplane (which it will very likely do, if it can and is in dire need of support), shouldn't it be always postivly answered? Especially the lawful good ("respect and serve your superiours, protect and guide your subordinates, respect and help your peers, destroy evil") would immediatly come to support their comrades, no matter the rank it has in the celestial hierarchie.
So in order to tell a story not simply ending with "and the bad guys were cut into shreds by an army of angels" there will be very few good outsiders (who at this point will have good reasons to appear at all and alone) since it ruins the story. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 18:17:56
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Originally posted by Shemmy
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Originally posted by Ardashir
Odd question here, but how would you fit the 'loths in with the Book of Fiends sin-based daemons or the daemons we'll be seeing in Golarion? I figured that they could all exist, but some worlds are more heavily visited by one 'breed' of daemon than the other.
Well unfortunately I don't have a copy of Book of Fiends, so I can't speak much on the sin-based daemons. Golarion's daemons exist as both a number of castes that include such familiar faces of hydrolothsdaemons, dergholothsdaemons, etc. And then you've got the four castes that operate as overt servitors to the four archdaemons of War/Destruction, Famine/Wasting, Plague, and Death.
So some of the 'loths are there, but most of the more intelligent, and all the upper caste 'loths aren't OGL so can't use them. The daemons are much more internally conflicted than the 'loths (who had the baernaloths playing them like puppets to guide them). The daemons have some guidance, but well, it's rather different. You'll see.
You'll find some thematic similarity to some of the 'loths showing up within Golarion's daemonic society. The meladaemons for instance who serve Trelmarixian the archdaemon of Wasting may come across as similar to some of the upper caste 'loths (and Trelmarixian is partially based on a 'loth from my own campaign). They're rather different in many ways though (the 'loths abhor the divine, while daemons don't care one way or the other really, but they can't fathom the idea of mortal worship, and indeed they despise mortality itself).
You'll see once the book is out. Can't say much more till then.
Thanks for the response, and I'm eager to see your work once it gets published. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 18:21:26
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Originally posted by Aureus
Perhaps there are so few good outsiders because it's bad storytelling?
Think about it, when a good oustider requests help from his homeplane (which it will very likely do, if it can and is in dire need of support), shouldn't it be always postivly answered? Especially the lawful good ("respect and serve your superiours, protect and guide your subordinates, respect and help your peers, destroy evil") would immediatly come to support their comrades, no matter the rank it has in the celestial hierarchie.
So in order to tell a story not simply ending with "and the bad guys were cut into shreds by an army of angels" there will be very few good outsiders (who at this point will have good reasons to appear at all and alone) since it ruins the story.
I think that some of the answer could also be, "If we come galloping to the rescue every time mortals get in trouble, they'll depend on us for everything and never amount to anything themselves."
That and there could be rules mortals don't know about, preventing their doing just that. "Remember, angel! The more openly you intervene in the mortal world, the more openly we of the Abyss (Hells/Gehenna) can meddle as well! So think, and think carefully, before you interfere with my servitors among these mortal vermin." |
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Where have all the good aligned outsiders gone?
