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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 00:11:47
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Since I have been bored whilst my computer is out of service, I sat down with a notebook and figured up the elven population of various regions, in regards to recent posts wondering how many elves are around to repopulate various elven settlements. I also figured the half elf populations as well, since this might come up.
Cormyr
54,432 Elves
136,080 Half-elves (man that Azoun gets around . . .  )
Dalelands
24,101 Elves
Evermeet
1,658,880 Elves
Moonshaes
6,804 Half-elves
20,412 Elves
Calimshan
53,395 Half-elves
Tethyr
113,139 Elves
High Forest
15,124 Elves
1,120 Half-elves
Savage Frontier
28,220 Half-elves
22,576 Elves
Silver Marches
10,908 Half-elves
21,836 Elves
Sword Coast North
6,609 Half-elves
26,432 Elves
Waterdeep
13,4478 Elves
66,139 Half-elves
Halruaa
16,761 Elves
16,761 Half-elves
Luiren
16,760 Elves
8,380 Half-elves
Aglarond
381,024 Half-elves
13,089 Elves
The Vast
13,089 Half-elves
39,267 Elves
Vilhon Reach
55,058 Elves
Western Heartlands
65,664 Half-elves
114,912 Elves
These figures are from the FRCS so it doesn't take into account any population changes from the Phaerimm War in the North or the Crusade, which might alter a few of these regions. It does take into account the events of Evermeet and Death of the Dragon, however.
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Edited by - KnightErrantJR on 08 Aug 2006 00:12:20
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 01:08:28
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| I don't know quite what to say other than you really must have been bored! |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 02:41:59
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| Indeed . . . I had been curious to crunch the numbers for a while, so lack of computer distraction was the catalyst to get out the old notebook. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 03:03:11
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| Next, try to figure out the most likely subraces for each region. ;) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 03:07:06
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| Gack . . . although the Evermeet entry in the FRCS actually does break it down in that detail . . . |
Edited by - KnightErrantJR on 08 Aug 2006 03:07:32 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 03:27:50
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I think I might . . . might get around to doing the dwarves, gnomes, and halflings by region as well, though I don't think I'm going to bother with the other populations, since the amount of races living in cities or "civilized" lands that aren't "mainstream" races is kind of pointless, given that so many orcs, half-orcs, lizardfolk, etc. live in areas not covered in the population figures.
Strangely enough, the one I'm most curious to see now are the gnome figures. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 03:30:01
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| Tiny gnomes... |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 04:29:18
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| I seem to remember having seen something like this done for gnomes and halflings on another page; I have not studied it enough to guarantee for its correctness. I think it was on the page called Dlabraddath Net come to think of it. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 04:57:20
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| Warlocko links that a lot.. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 05:01:53
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So the total Elves is:
2,226,257. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Deverien Valandil
Seeker
73 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 20:47:18
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quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan
So the total Elves is:
2,226,257.
Interesting. For comparison, are there any estimates on the number of humans (or other sentient species) in the Realms? |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 21:01:21
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quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan
So the total Elves is:
2,226,257.
that is 25% of the population on the mainland...the percentage seems right but does that seem like alot of elves for a race that was in the Retreat? over 1/2 million? My impression, in the beginning when I got the Gray Box, was that elves were rare and it was special to meet one...thus the average humans awe to meet one
and why does Cormyr have more elves than the Dalelands, Aglarond and the High Forest combined? and where did Luiren and Halruaa get so many elves so suddenly?
I think those #'s are a bit off  especially for regions that do not or have not had a strong elven presence for centuries... |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 21:37:52
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shhhh... don´t tell anyone, but they are all disguised as drow, since the dark elves are making much more sucess than then... 
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 00:59:49
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan
So the total Elves is:
2,226,257.
that is 25% of the population on the mainland...the percentage seems right but does that seem like alot of elves for a race that was in the Retreat? over 1/2 million? My impression, in the beginning when I got the Gray Box, was that elves were rare and it was special to meet one...thus the average humans awe to meet one
and why does Cormyr have more elves than the Dalelands, Aglarond and the High Forest combined? and where did Luiren and Halruaa get so many elves so suddenly?
I think those #'s are a bit off especially for regions that do not or have not had a strong elven presence for centuries...
I agree, it does seem like a lot. I think we'd need to see statistics for the other races to compare and get a better handle on it though. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 02:49:26
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The number of Elves was never particularly low. They Retreated so as to PREVENT their numbers from dropping. :)
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Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 07:15:45
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| Yeah but honestly 2 million plus compared to the huge number of humans in Faerun right now really isn't that much. The Elves are a race in decline, not a race facing extinction, so its reasonable i suppose. Btw did u include the star elves when u wrote the Algarond extract. And yes, it is very weird that Cormyr has more elves than the Dalelands, Aglarond and the High Forest, considering that not much is mentioned about them presently |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 08:09:55
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The Elves were not precisely in decline, either. They sensed that if they did not Retreat they would fall into decline, however, so that's why they did what they did.
Remember, it's all relative; just imagine how large the population of Elves were 1,000 years ago (which is, what, only 2 generations?). Even losing a few hundred or thousand Elves, who have been around as one of the dominant races of Faerun for 15,000 years, and who breed so slowly, is reason enough for alarm. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 08:42:07
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| (Nods in agreement) but there would be a lot more of them if not for the Crown Wars or plain old elven pride to the point of stupidity. . . |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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1103 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 09:07:33
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True.
But then again, humans have their own share of that in spades, as do dwarves (Duerger and Derro, anyone?). Gnomes and halflings, not so much. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 09:12:17
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Gnomes and halflings haha, i love those laidback people who know how to have fun.
I do think that the only reason why humans in the realms aren't in decline yet is because they enjoy making love as much as they do killing each other ;D |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 09:42:33
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And they adapt well to new surroundings. :)
(Gah, just because I type fast it tells me that I am trying to flood... *Sad*) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 09:55:29
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and they enjoy good food XD.
But seriously can someone answer the Cormyr question?
And to Dan, ROFL |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 13:32:04
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| The Cormyr figure does seem a little weird... Higher population generally? |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 14:18:07
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| Rare elves, out of the 2 million Elves 1.5 live on Evermeet. Taking then out of the number for mainland, the precentage of Elves drops to about 6 percent of mainland population. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 17:32:20
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| The only reason that I could see for the Cormyr numbers is because it used to belong to the elves and so maybe some of them stuck around....... |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:06:52
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| And with a good quantity of benevolent kings, fair justice, organizations, and respect for the people, I think that many elves will stuck around with good will... |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:39:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
The only reason that I could see for the Cormyr numbers is because it used to belong to the elves and so maybe some of them stuck around.......
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
And with a good quantity of benevolent kings, fair justice, organizations, and respect for the people, I think that many elves will stuck around with good will...
No, not really...though the elves were in the Cormyrian forests their presence there disappeared long ago...considering the people of Cormyr never had any resistance in felling and taming it's forests, with only the heart of Hullack Forest remaining...
There is no canon anywhere that indicates that elves have a strong presence in Cormyr...and it's ridiculous to think there are more elves in Cormyr than in Deepingdale, Semberholm, The Elven Court and Tangletrees combined (which are normally included as “the Dalelands”.
Just some thoughts...
Not counting Evereska (which is combined in the Western Heartlands numbers, I would like too see Evereska subtracted from that #) and the Moonsheas (Synaria sp?) which are the two remaining elven kingdoms on the mainland (pre 3rd Ed.), it was my understanding that the High Forest (1.1 k) and the Dalelands (24.1 k) held the majority of the elves that did not leave in the Retreat. That is 25,200 elves in the Dales/Cormanthar and the High Forest (which held 3 modern elf kingdoms)
Tethyr (the Wealdath) (113.1 k) was supposed to be a dieing region and underseige from the humans (I bet Foxfire [if that was his right name] wished he had over 50,000 warriors at his call)
The Vast (39.2 k), Halruaa (16.7k ) Luiren (16.7 k) and Calimshan (53.3 k) have 125,900 elves in total...regions of Fearun that lost their (civilized) elf populations since the Crown Wars. And don’t tell me about the grugach/wild elves...they are supposed to be worse off than the Wealdath (being hunted by the half-drow in Dambrath)
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Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:56:08
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Bored as well ... so here are the Halflings :)
Damara
52,877 Halflings
The Dalelands
12,053 Halflings
Dragon Coast
24,624 Halflings
Moonshae Isles
27,216 Halflings
Lake of Steam
157,075 Halflings
Amn
444,528 Halflings
Calimshan
106,790 Halflings
Tethyr
754,272 Halflings
The Moonsea
87,264 Halflings
High Forest
582 Halfings
The Savage Frontier
22,579 Halflings
Silver Marches
54,540 Halflings
Sword Coast North
26,438 Halflings
Waterdeep
67,392 Halflings
Chessenta
203,212 Halfings
Unther
85,277 Halflings
Sembia
73,872 Halflings
The Great Rift
13,090 Halflings
Halruaa
33,523 Halfings
Luiren
771,034 Halflings
Thay
196,992 Halflings
The Vast
65,448 Halflings
Turmish
84,672 Halflings
50,803 Elves
16,934 Half-Elves
Westen Heartlands
65,664 Halflings
thats about it ...
all in all:
3,431,014 Halflings |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 20:51:45
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I don't think the Daleslands elvish numbers include Cormanthor in the FRCS.
The Cormanthor entry has a population of 154,223 with drow 47%, elves 30%, half-elves 10%, etc...
which is 72,484 (.81  ) Drow
46,266 (.9 ouch) elves
15,422 (.3, third-elf!) half-elves
15,422 (.3, another third-elf!) humans
and 3084 (.46 must be small for a halfling) halflings!
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 20:54:01
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Three millions of halflings!!! |
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Elven Population (Blackstaff/Final Gate Spoilers)
