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Yasraena
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 Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 23:02:45
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This is a topic I bring up only because it could affect Yasraena in her current game. (will post the details of that later)
Has anyone ever had to deal with this in their games? The GM and I are slowly going over the rules we want to use in the game converning this using a netbook I found over at planetADND.com called the Complete Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Has a lot of cool stuff in there concerning not only pregnancy, but a host of other related things. Some is good, some not so good.
For example - There is a possiblility with each passing month of pregnancy past the first, that if the mother to be casts any type of spell, there could be either a beneficial or detrimental effect on the baby. From becoming magic resistant to growing vestigal wings or similar. Don't even think about planar travel. Yeesh. Some interesting stuff.
I'd appreciate any thoughts or memories of similar situations to wonder how we should play this if it turns out Yas actually is pregnant. I told my group that it could turn out to be their worst nightmare because I'll role play it to the hilt!
And I have 3 friends wives to draw experience from. 
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"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 23:09:41
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The third party book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy for 3e also discusses rules for being with child.
As for DMing it, I've done so in past games but it never came down to die rolls. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 23:27:35
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Originally posted by Yasraena
Has anyone ever had to deal with this in their games? The GM and I are slowly going over the rules we want to use in the game converning this using a netbook I found over at planetADND.com called the Complete Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
How sad that something as natural and necessary for the continuation of life as pregnancy is considered to be in the sphere of that which is "unlawful".
Anyway, like Kuje I think this is something you could just roleplay--I don't see why it requires dice rolls. I mean, there are plenty of female mages in the Realms--do all of them refrain from spellcasting when they are pregnant? And if not, how come we don't seem to hear about weird, random things happening to their children?
Not saying you can't implement stuff like that, but I don't think you need to either. You might be best off just researching pregnancy and it's effects on the body (unless you know much about it already) and just using that knowledge to help your roleplaying |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 29 Jul 2006 23:28:57 |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 00:33:00
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Hmm, having characters parent to many children dice rolls indeed generally should not apply. There are too many varibles, each interaction involves a speadsheet to cover all the posibilities that needs to cover, mixed race, health, age, diet, combat effects and so much more. While TSR and WotC might not for policy resaons discuss Pregnancy, even if they did the "Complete Book" of such a topic would be unwirldly at best. Perhaps 5,000 pages of small print migth be required to deal with the topic. There are just too many varibles involved. _Unlawful Carnal Knowledge_ does offer a few things, but it woefully lacks on all the issues of carring to term any fetus to a child. It likely is the best ressouce that you will find as well.
Oh I could offer all sorts of tables and ideas as to what can cause a termination, early or late term birth, above average and below average birth rate, based on how well one eats, execises, avoids fights, etc. the list is too large to cover all of the events that can be involved, the hormonal changes that enhance the breasts for feeding itself might be a problem for those wearing tight fighting (or custom armor) and this is far from trying to understand how other races would translate while pregnant.
The only time time rolls should apply is when there is danager to the mother, the fetus will die if the mother dies in most cases. There of course can be the mother died and the child lived (but that only works at all when a healer is near).
I use dice rolls most of the time after posiblity exist of carring a child, dice rolls to determine gender, sometimes depending on race if there are multiple births (twins, etc.). Roleplaying a birth of a child tends to be very situational and rarely subject to dice rolls IMO.
Mother or Father to many convieved characters. You can do as you wish. Some still moaned are those that did not come to term.
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 00:51:51
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How sad that something as natural and necessary for the continuation of life as pregnancy is considered to be in the sphere of that which is "unlawful".
It was originally just the guide to "Sex." And I think they got a lot of bad rap about the name, so they changed it to that to be somewhat self-deprecating. ;) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 01:08:02
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Originally posted by GothicDan
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How sad that something as natural and necessary for the continuation of life as pregnancy is considered to be in the sphere of that which is "unlawful".
It was originally just the guide to "Sex." And I think they got a lot of bad rap about the name, so they changed it to that to be somewhat self-deprecating. ;)
I see. But still, they could have just called it "carnal knowledge". |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 01:09:55
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| Ed did mention in his own thread that spellcasters refrain from casting spells during pregnancy to avoid any unwanted . . . influence? . . . alterations? . . . to the child in question. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 01:36:13
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I see. But still, they could have just called it "carnal knowledge".
They could have... But they were making fun of the people who went "blah blah blah!' at them for it. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 02:29:31
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Ed did mention in his own thread that spellcasters refrain from casting spells during pregnancy to avoid any unwanted . . . influence? . . . alterations? . . . to the child in question.
Ed discussed it several times, and pregnancy with characters as well.
Yas, see his '04, '05 and '06 files for the full replies.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 02:35:51
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| Yeah, but even then dice rolling just seems kind of cumbersome to me. *shrug* To each, their own. |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 04:28:13
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Most pregnancies involving player characters have been role-played and at the wish of the player with no dice involved.
I've used dicerolls when planning, but never directly when it involves PCs private lives except for a couple of times where the player has asked about chances for pregnancy and therefore more or less asked for a dice roll more than a pure decision on my part. Dice for gender, chance for an npc having children, having gotten children since last used; I have used all of these when the mood hits me and I have no feeling on the matter one way or another. But as I said, this is mostly when creating a dozen npc's for an adventure and the dice more or less used for keeping my brain from falling into well used tracks with character traits/ histories that are not essential for the main story I have planned.
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green knight
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 18:17:41
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I see. But still, they could have just called it "carnal knowledge".
I do beleive the creators were going for a play on words. There is an urban legend concerning the etymology of a certain slang word. Supposidlly when people were convicted of adultery in puritan new england in the 1700's they were put in stocks and a sign with the crimes anacronym was hung about thier necks. the crime was "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" I will let you figure out the anacronym yourself.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 18:32:55
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Originally posted by green knight
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I see. But still, they could have just called it "carnal knowledge".
I do beleive the creators were going for a play on words. There is an urban legend concerning the etymology of a certain slang word. Supposidlly when people were convicted of adultery in puritan new england in the 1700's they were put in stocks and a sign with the crimes anacronym was hung about thier necks. the crime was "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" I will let you figure out the anacronym yourself.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 18:33:34
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Tell me how the role-playing of the pregnancy comes along. I for one would think the mother would be taking a break from adventuring for a bit. Or impose longer sleep times required for resting.  Plus cubersome weights are a definite no go. Anyways, good luck and Tymora embrace thee in your happy time. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 20:48:46
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Originally posted by green knight
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I see. But still, they could have just called it "carnal knowledge".
I do beleive the creators were going for a play on words. There is an urban legend concerning the etymology of a certain slang word. Supposidlly when people were convicted of adultery in puritan new england in the 1700's they were put in stocks and a sign with the crimes anacronym was hung about thier necks. the crime was "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" I will let you figure out the anacronym yourself.
Green Knight
Oh, yeah, I've heard of that. NOW it all makes sense... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 01:38:40
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Tell me how the role-playing of the pregnancy comes along. I for one would think the mother would be taking a break from adventuring for a bit. Or impose longer sleep times required for resting. Plus cubersome weights are a definite no go. Anyways, good luck and Tymora embrace thee in your happy time.
Roleplaying a character's pregnancy can be a truly rewarding experience for a player. When the Lady K was pregnant in real-life, we decided that it would be quite intriguing to roleplay the situation with her character in-game as well. So, we spent a number of weeks out of the campaign, crafting a suitable backstory for her character and how see came to be pregnant in the game.
And, as the months went on, and the Lady K become more aware of her own thoughts and feelings regarding being pregnant, she now possessed some experiences that could be easily transferred to her character in game. Issues relating to being tired, weight increase and other pregnancy-related aspects were all beginnning to be reflected in her character. As well, it provided all the players at the table with a chance to share in the experience both the Lady K and I were learning about ourselves.
During battles and other-combat related sessions, the other PCs and I would be forced to exclude the Lady K's character from heaviest fighting. The Lady K contributed where she could, but only if her physical and mental disposition allowed it. The non-combat portions of the game were just as interesting, as the party would have to deal with shifting moods, cravings, and *complaints* ( ) from the mother-to-be. And, through it all, we truly felt that we, and our characters, were becoming an intimate part of this pregnancy.
Eventually, the Lady K's character was forced to retire for a time, as the her pregnancy came close to full term (both in real-life and through her character). The party in-game moved on to Waterdeep ahead of schedule to ensure that she would be properly looked after and tended to. My NPC character stayed as well (since I would also be gone from the game for a while) and the party continued on with a temporary DM for a few months.
It was an experience that the Lady K and I will never forget and in-game, it ranks as one of our most enjoyable campaigns.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 02:15:07
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| I suggest you read the FR novel Pools of Darkness one of the major characters (A Wizard)is pregnant during the novel and her spellcasting has some side effects on her child |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 12:42:24
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Sage, that is truly fascinating. My wife I always thought of as a little adventurer-like. I mean she was athletic and very talented at what she did at work which was adventure-like in nature. Now I thought it was funny how she went from being tough to love and caring mother with different views on certain things that she once held views of an opposite nature. Quite an interesting change, right? So I am truly impressed that you and Lady K were able to experience an in game relation with the out of game experience. I mean Wow. That is awesome. Unfortunately I game with a bunch of dudes and the one guy that did RP a chick bard was a friggin' whore about it. Typical of a guy who is very much lacking in his own life. So I doubt I will ever see a pregnancy RP'ed in one of my games. It would be cool to father my next character though.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 00:50:19
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Unfortunately I game with a bunch of dudes and the one guy that did RP a chick bard was a friggin' whore about it. Typical of a guy who is very much lacking in his own life.
Yes, that's what it sounds like--figures. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 01:52:01
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I can't play females.
I just suck at it amazingly.
... Actually, I probably could, but they give me the shivers. ;) |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 02:02:40
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Playing females is easy, playing males is hard *wink*
It realy depends more on what each player brings to the table as a player, it also depends a lot on expectatiations of other players. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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