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Evro
Acolyte
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 Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 03:41:42
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I've looked and looked, and either I'm blind or they don't exist.
Are there any orders of knighthood in the Realms that AREN'T extensions of a church?
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 04:27:28
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| Hmmm, do the Purple Dragons of Cormyr count? They are rather knightly in spirit, anyway. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 04:32:19
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The Knights of the Unicorn aren't really an extension of the church of Lurue... Of course, they're not a traditional knightly order, either.
The traditional idea of a knight includes some sort of religious tradition. With gods being as prominent as they are in the Realms, it's only natural that they'll have the market cornered on knightly orders. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 05:15:54
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| It would help to know how "knightly order" is being defined here, I suppose. Evro may be thinking of the more courtly style of knight, that is one who is chivalorous, fights for his ruler, and so on... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 06:09:01
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I asked Ed about this a while ago (although it was more specficly aimed at where the Knight class would be apporiate in the FR)
The Term Knight is abit missed used in th Realms (in that Knights dont necessarily fit our real world stero types)
From publish Realmslore we can probably break it "Knights" down into 3 types
Religious Orders: These usually are for Paladins such as the Knights of the Eternal order or Knights of Salamar
Secular orders: These orders tended to most closely resemble real world Knights eg Purple Dragon Knights of Cormyr
Self appointed Knights: These "orders" are typically adventure partys or spring up from groups that have no ties to a goverment or religion ie The Knights of Myth Drannor and the Knights of the North |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 06:23:04
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| the knights of Myth Drannor, but without being specific as to what you are asking, I would concur with my fellow scribes. |
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Evro
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 12:59:12
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I hadn't even thought of the Purple Dragon knights, although to be honest I've always pictured them more as glorified guards.
Yes, I was thinking more along the lines of the old Cavalier PC class, and whether there were orders that fit that type, as opposed to only paladins. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 14:08:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
I asked Ed about this a while ago (although it was more specficly aimed at where the Knight class would be apporiate in the FR)
The Term Knight is abit missed used in th Realms (in that Knights dont necessarily fit our real world stero types)
From publish Realmslore we can probably break it "Knights" down into 3 types
Religious Orders: These usually are for Paladins such as the Knights of the Eternal order or Knights of Salamar
Secular orders: These orders tended to most closely resemble real world Knights eg Purple Dragon Knights of Cormyr
Self appointed Knights: These "orders" are typically adventure partys or spring up from groups that have no ties to a goverment or religion ie The Knights of Myth Drannor and the Knights of the North
what about "nobility" knights, knights that do not belong eithor to an order nor are self appointed but instead are individual champions for the upper class?  does that make sense? |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 16:55:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Evro
Are there any orders of knighthood in the Realms that AREN'T extensions of a church?
Check out the organizations on Champions of Valor and the Tethyr section of Lands of Intrigue. I believe both include secular orders. The Knights of Silver in Silverymoon might qualify, depending on what you mean by "knight". |
Edited by - Snotlord on 18 Jul 2006 16:59:19 |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 00:10:27
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| I suspect that whereas our word 'knight' derives from a role within a formal European social structure, the Realms term or terms translated as 'knight' are more about personal knightliness and don't necessitate official status. |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 14:46:13
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Do the Riders of Nesme count as a Knighthood?
I don't think they are associated with any religion. |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 : 08:13:24
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The 2nd Edition sourcebook "The City of Ravens Bluff" lists a number of Knightly Orders based in Ravens Bluff. The sourcebook is available, as a freebie PDF download at Wizards' site: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads (added before Wooly does  ).
From what I can see, most non-religious knightky orders are local affairs, which are devoted to a realm or a city. There seems to be no Faerūn-wide military order that exists in parallel (or above) sovereign nations or cities, like the Knights Templar or the Order of St. John.
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Zanan
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Germany
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Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 17:03:13
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| Well, the must-have series of sourcebooks: Faiths & Avatars, Demihuman Deities, and Power & Pantheons does not only include all faiths of Faerūn (bar the monstrous ones), but also a section in each about affiliated orders. So you will most likely get a fair amount of knightly, crusader, and paladin orders there. The more mundane ones, i.e. those who are knightly by name (e.g., Knights of Myth Drannor), or who have been created after the ascencion of 3E are not included, for obvious reasons. |
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