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Adarin
Acolyte
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 Posted - 12 May 2005 : 12:31:32
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| Hmm interesting, then what about the society of the other enclave that is rumored to be in the realm of Selune? It seems there is hardly much information on them. I personally wonder will any author of FR write a novel about a final showdown between the two enclaves, it would be nice to see which enclave is stronger. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 03:22:37
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| Interesting, showdown between the two enclaves? Of two diverse religions, hmm. Which author to write about that? I think Troy Denning would be a good candidate as since he wrote about the Shade Enclave, maybe he can write the final showdown between the two enclaves. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 05:46:57
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Interesting, showdown between the two enclaves? Of two diverse religions, hmm. Which author to write about that? I think Troy Denning would be a good candidate as since he wrote about the Shade Enclave, maybe he can write the final showdown between the two enclaves.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 05:48:09
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| Hear, hear, Wooly. Absolutely no Troy Denning. I really don't want to read about another Faerunian city being destroyed or powerful archmages suffering from "teleport distortion"... |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 09:14:08
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| My apologies to all. Very well, since Troy Denning is considered not an suitable candidate. Perhaps Ed Greenwood and Elaine Cunningham would be more suitable candidates for writing the final showdown between the two enclaves. I am quite looking forward to this final showdown to see who is superior. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 12:38:32
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Originally posted by Adarin
I personally wonder will any author of FR write a novel about a final showdown between the two enclaves, it would be nice to see which enclave is stronger.
I'd be suprised to see such a novel come to fruition. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 13:56:09
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I'd be even more surprised to see Troy write it.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2005 : 15:52:07
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Originally posted by Shadovar
My apologies to all. Very well, since Troy Denning is considered not an suitable candidate. Perhaps Ed Greenwood and Elaine Cunningham would be more suitable candidates for writing the final showdown between the two enclaves. I am quite looking forward to this final showdown to see who is superior.
Actually, I don't see a final showdown ever happening... Final showdowns between power groups just aren't something we see in the Realms all that oft. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 May 2005 : 15:59:38
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I'd have to agree with that.
I mean, how many times have we seen both the Harpers and the Zhentarim go up against each other, only to then have both walk away from the conflict without too much change to either side.
The balance of power amongst most groups across Faerun is just too evenly matched.
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barry
Acolyte
South Africa
27 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 18:54:16
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Antareana
Seeker
Germany
59 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 23:00:38
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I'd rather hope that there would be no Shade vs. Opus Showdown 
It won't suit the style of Opus and if they did it then only because they're in debt of Selune
Rivalen Tanthul was dead, too, but it seems he had been revived before Mistress of Night
I was very sad when Melegaunt died since he's still my favourite character from RotA. But that $%§/&) Escanor deserves his fate playing around with Vala in that manner...  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 23:11:33
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The Shadovar were introduced, it seems, to create another big evil for PCs (not to mention the good and neutral power groups of the Realms) to deal with. Obviously they were meant as a long term group of villains and not a quick "here they are, this is what they want, this is how they go away" villain, becuase if that were the case its much more likely we would have had a "City of Shade" mega adventure instead of a "City of the Spider Queen" one.
If eventually there is somekind of showdown, I wouldn't look for it too soon. Hellgate keep was around for quite a while before the Moonstars stepped up what they wanted to do to get rid of it, and Scardale was an unresolved matter for quite a while too. Using those examples, we may have 5-10 years of waiting before anyone decided to do anything catastrophic in regards to the Shade enclave situation.
Or they may never do anything and the Shadovar will just float above their lake. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 03:32:47
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Originally posted by Antareana
I'd rather hope that there would be no Shade vs. Opus Showdown
It won't suit the style of Opus and if they did it then only because they're in debt of Selune
But this is way past the debt to Selune. The people of Opus have become Selune's followers and have named the Shade Enclave their enemy because of the Shades' devotion to Lady Loss. In fact, from LEoF, it seems that Opus is waiting for someone to call them back into Faerun to fight the Shades. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 07:44:10
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Antareana
I'd rather hope that there would be no Shade vs. Opus Showdown
It won't suit the style of Opus and if they did it then only because they're in debt of Selune
But this is way past the debt to Selune. The people of Opus have become Selune's followers and have named the Shade Enclave their enemy because of the Shades' devotion to Lady Loss. In fact, from LEoF, it seems that Opus is waiting for someone to call them back into Faerun to fight the Shades.
So it seems we can expect another RSE coming along soon. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 12:03:59
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Well met!
I know that LEoF gives a good description/update on Opus, and how it now resides in Selune's realm, but I first read of it in Dungeon magazine issue #88. The module (by Skip Williams? I don't have that issue at hand right now) describes it as a ruin buried under the sands of Anauroch.
Hmmm... I wonder why they changed that? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 12:55:02
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Originally posted by Shadovar
So it seems we can expect another RSE coming along soon.
Given Paul Kemp's comments on his next Cale trilogy, it would seem so. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 17:43:11
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Well met!
I know that LEoF gives a good description/update on Opus, and how it now resides in Selune's realm, but I first read of it in Dungeon magazine issue #88. The module (by Skip Williams? I don't have that issue at hand right now) describes it as a ruin buried under the sands of Anauroch.
Hmmm... I wonder why they changed that?
Really? Wow... I guess this would be a good question to ask those that were involved in LEoF. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 17:57:51
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Well met!
I know that LEoF gives a good description/update on Opus, and how it now resides in Selune's realm, but I first read of it in Dungeon magazine issue #88. The module (by Skip Williams? I don't have that issue at hand right now) describes it as a ruin buried under the sands of Anauroch.
Hmmm... I wonder why they changed that?
Because WotC is Return-happy, and it makes sense to bring back a bunch of Netherese Selûnites if you're bringing back a bunch of Netherese Sharrans. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 18:01:45
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| Lol. Yes... the "Great Balance". I like the idea of an enclave of Selunites that will combat the Shades. We have too many villains right now and not enough heroes... |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 07:22:08
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lol. Yes... the "Great Balance". I like the idea of an enclave of Selunites that will combat the Shades. We have too many villains right now and not enough heroes...
Well it would be good to have Netherese Selunites returning but still i wonder if these Netherese Selunites have some powerful weapons or magic at hand to fight the Shadovar darkblades and Shadow Magic, and whether does these Netherese Selunites have a battle hardened military of sufficient numbers with capable military officers and troops.
For the Shadovar has a military comprised of able and battle tested warriors and mages which had seen a lot of wars and battles while in the plane of Shadow and even the lowest soldier in the Shadovar wield good armor and magic weapons. Also, Lord Shadow is a very cunning and deceptive man besides his awe-inspiring shadow powers powerful enough to challenge Manshoon in a one on one magic combat. I wonder does the Netherese Selunites boast a similar military and leadership as the Shadovar... |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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DeathRage
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 10:22:05
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lol. Yes... the "Great Balance". I like the idea of an enclave of Selunites that will combat the Shades. We have too many villains right now and not enough heroes...
Well it would be good to have Netherese Selunites returning but still i wonder if these Netherese Selunites have some powerful weapons or magic at hand to fight the Shadovar darkblades and Shadow Magic, and whether does these Netherese Selunites have a battle hardened military of sufficient numbers with capable military officers and troops.
For the Shadovar has a military comprised of able and battle tested warriors and mages which had seen a lot of wars and battles while in the plane of Shadow and even the lowest soldier in the Shadovar wield good armor and magic weapons. Also, Lord Shadow is a very cunning and deceptive man besides his awe-inspiring shadow powers powerful enough to challenge Manshoon in a one on one magic combat. I wonder does the Netherese Selunites boast a similar military and leadership as the Shadovar...
Well, that will depend on whether Selune blessed her netherese followers with any unique weapons and magic or armor, but I doubt the netherese who stayed in Selune's realm in exile faced much threats than what the Shadovar faced in the plane of Shadow. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 17:20:32
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Well, we would have to assume that Selune equipped them with powers to defeat Shar and the Shades. After all, all the Netherese living on Opus have become outsiders.
Second, we have to remember that these are the Netherese we are talking about. They can easily create magical items without needing a deity, as they have been doing for thousands of years during the Time of Nethril. |
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
131 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 18:10:17
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Well met!
I know that LEoF gives a good description/update on Opus, and how it now resides in Selune's realm, but I first read of it in Dungeon magazine issue #88. The module (by Skip Williams? I don't have that issue at hand right now) describes it as a ruin buried under the sands of Anauroch.
Hmmm... I wonder why they changed that?
This change was not done durring LEoF.
from Netheril:EoM
"The Fall and Beyond (3520+): It’s widely believed that the
city of Opus was spared the destruction of Netheril’s cities by
divining the effects of Karsus’s avatar spell and evacuating mere
moments before magic failed. The truth behind their salvation
was somewhat hazy, however, and other sources stated that the
goddess Selûne personally delivered them from destruction." |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 01:29:37
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, we would have to assume that Selune equipped them with powers to defeat Shar and the Shades. After all, all the Netherese living on Opus have become outsiders.
Second, we have to remember that these are the Netherese we are talking about. They can easily create magical items without needing a deity, as they have been doing for thousands of years during the Time of Nethril.
Well, lets hope that these Netherese Selunites can develop proper anti-shadow magic weapons and magic artifacts or something that can compete with the Shadovar weapons but for their military, I don't think they can fare that well against the battle hardened Shadovar military. Most importantly, is that the Netherese Selunites do not fall prey to Telamont's plots or be detected by Telamont before the Netherese Selunites are ready enough to combat the Shadovar. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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RedStrike
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 03:51:42
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, we would have to assume that Selune equipped them with powers to defeat Shar and the Shades. After all, all the Netherese living on Opus have become outsiders.
Second, we have to remember that these are the Netherese we are talking about. They can easily create magical items without needing a deity, as they have been doing for thousands of years during the Time of Nethril.
Well, lets hope that these Netherese Selunites can develop proper anti-shadow magic weapons and magic artifacts or something that can compete with the Shadovar weapons but for their military, I don't think they can fare that well against the battle hardened Shadovar military. Most importantly, is that the Netherese Selunites do not fall prey to Telamont's plots or be detected by Telamont before the Netherese Selunites are ready enough to combat the Shadovar.
True, we may have to wait to see if there is a capable leader among the Selunites with incredible abilites to match Lord Shadow. Still there is a comment about Lord Shadow:
"Lord Shadow always had a way of getting people to look where he wanted them to look and never see the death blow coming" |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 07:40:23
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, we would have to assume that Selune equipped them with powers to defeat Shar and the Shades. After all, all the Netherese living on Opus have become outsiders.
Second, we have to remember that these are the Netherese we are talking about. They can easily create magical items without needing a deity, as they have been doing for thousands of years during the Time of Nethril.
Well, lets hope that these Netherese Selunites can develop proper anti-shadow magic weapons and magic artifacts or something that can compete with the Shadovar weapons but for their military, I don't think they can fare that well against the battle hardened Shadovar military. Most importantly, is that the Netherese Selunites do not fall prey to Telamont's plots or be detected by Telamont before the Netherese Selunites are ready enough to combat the Shadovar.
Well, based on LEoF, it seems that the Netherese Selunites of Opus have been doing nothing except preparing for the battle to come with the Shades. After all, as the servants of Selune, they expect to combat the forces of Shar. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 09:01:45
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, we would have to assume that Selune equipped them with powers to defeat Shar and the Shades. After all, all the Netherese living on Opus have become outsiders.
Second, we have to remember that these are the Netherese we are talking about. They can easily create magical items without needing a deity, as they have been doing for thousands of years during the Time of Nethril.
Well, lets hope that these Netherese Selunites can develop proper anti-shadow magic weapons and magic artifacts or something that can compete with the Shadovar weapons but for their military, I don't think they can fare that well against the battle hardened Shadovar military. Most importantly, is that the Netherese Selunites do not fall prey to Telamont's plots or be detected by Telamont before the Netherese Selunites are ready enough to combat the Shadovar.
Well, based on LEoF, it seems that the Netherese Selunites of Opus have been doing nothing except preparing for the battle to come with the Shades. After all, as the servants of Selune, they expect to combat the forces of Shar.
So it appears the netherese Selunites might be well prepared after all. But I think the final showdown between these two enclaves might mean the end of the last remnants of Netheril legacy. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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RedStrike
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 09:06:37
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, we would have to assume that Selune equipped them with powers to defeat Shar and the Shades. After all, all the Netherese living on Opus have become outsiders.
Second, we have to remember that these are the Netherese we are talking about. They can easily create magical items without needing a deity, as they have been doing for thousands of years during the Time of Nethril.
Well, lets hope that these Netherese Selunites can develop proper anti-shadow magic weapons and magic artifacts or something that can compete with the Shadovar weapons but for their military, I don't think they can fare that well against the battle hardened Shadovar military. Most importantly, is that the Netherese Selunites do not fall prey to Telamont's plots or be detected by Telamont before the Netherese Selunites are ready enough to combat the Shadovar.
Well, based on LEoF, it seems that the Netherese Selunites of Opus have been doing nothing except preparing for the battle to come with the Shades. After all, as the servants of Selune, they expect to combat the forces of Shar.
So it appears the netherese Selunites might be well prepared after all. But I think the final showdown between these two enclaves might mean the end of the last remnants of Netheril legacy.
Not necessarily may it mean the end of the last survivors of Netheril, I am sure there might be survivors of this upcoming conflict. I don't think this would be like what happened to Iolaum enclave when they fought with Karse Enclave in a mock turned real battle where almost to all the Netherese perished horribly in the battle. |
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FreezeChaser
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 09:16:08
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originally posted by RedStrike
Not necessarily may it mean the end of the last survivors of Netheril, I am sure there might be survivors of this upcoming conflict. I don't think this would be like what happened to Iolaum enclave when they fought with Karse Enclave in a mock turned real battle where almost to all the Netherese perished horribly in the battle.
Well, in theeir zealousness of dealing death to each other, they might all end up dead. This showdown between the remaining Netherese enclaves to remove the final remnants of netherese legacy seemed to be engineered by Selune and Shar indirectly. Still, sometimes i wonder are such fights waged by followers of the various deities of the light and dark for the deities amusement or entertainment as their followers fight and die with horrible ends while the deities lounge in the astral planes safe from any battle. Wouldn't it be better if Selune and Shar fight it out then use their followers as pawns in their battle? Small wonder why Lord Ao forced all the deities to walk as avatars among mortals, guess Ao wanted them to know the mortals life better but I think few deities realize it anyway.
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 09:23:57
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Originally posted by FreezeChaser
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originally posted by RedStrike
Not necessarily may it mean the end of the last survivors of Netheril, I am sure there might be survivors of this upcoming conflict. I don't think this would be like what happened to Iolaum enclave when they fought with Karse Enclave in a mock turned real battle where almost to all the Netherese perished horribly in the battle.
Well, in theeir zealousness of dealing death to each other, they might all end up dead. This showdown between the remaining Netherese enclaves to remove the final remnants of netherese legacy seemed to be engineered by Selune and Shar indirectly. Still, sometimes i wonder are such fights waged by followers of the various deities of the light and dark for the deities amusement or entertainment as their followers fight and die with horrible ends while the deities lounge in the astral planes safe from any battle. Wouldn't it be better if Selune and Shar fight it out then use their followers as pawns in their battle? Small wonder why Lord Ao forced all the deities to walk as avatars among mortals, guess Ao wanted them to know the mortals life better but I think few deities realize it anyway.
(sorry, no offense intended in my words.)
Hmm...Well I heard that Lord Ao once broke up a serious seemingly endless fight between the opposing sisters before the coming of the various races to Toril. I think He forbade any further conflicts between Selune and Shar for the pantheon stability. So Selune and Shar had to slug it out through their followers, anyway, their followers will become their peititioners in the afterlife in their own realms. As for why Lord Ao forced all deities to walk the mortal plane as avatars yet vulnerable like a mortal, His reasons well is known only to Lord Ao himself. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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