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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 15:57:56
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I'm taking bets...
How do all of you believe that the return of the Archwizards/Anauroch/Netheril/Shade Enclave story is going to wrap up...
I think that Netheril will return (perhaps called New Netheril or something to that effect) after the Realms folk (Harpers, Moonstars, Silverymoon, Waterdeep, etc.) along with Shade Enclave finally kick out the phaerimm....this will be due to Shade Enclave's attempts to flood the desert coming to fruition and revealing/resurrecting the huge cache of magical items under the sand revealed in Realms of Shadow....
Then we get to deal with a newly-placed Shade-Prince emperor of New Netheril (or whatever they will call it), whose contributions to the Weave will be wondrous (and we'll probably see a few new wizard Prestige Classes as a result), but the Enclave will most likely not be content to simply take over the desert...At that point, the storm will peak and we'll have to endure a second war (the first being with the Phaerimm) to contain the new kingdom and its mighty, mysterious magics...
Sigh...but that's just me...
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Edited by - Alaundo on 18 Nov 2002 22:05:56
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 18:44:50
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Well Im really looking forward to "The Sorcerer" novel! One thing that I always wanted to happen has actually happened in "The Siege".
Ever since I started reading about the Realms I was so disturbed by the way Anaurach swallowed the lands of Netheril, then when the Netheril box set came out showing how the land used to be, I was even more devastated so see all that had been lost.
I was so happy when the Shades return and.......
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....when the Shades laid their "blankets" over the High Ice to cause it to melt trying to recover the land they left behind. Dont get me wrong, Im concerned about the other destructive results of this action, the flooding of other lands west of Anauroch, the terrific storms etc. but I was never a fan of Anauroch and I love woodlands etc. and to see them restored is a long dream come true.
As to the outcome of the Trilogy.......I really dont know. I cant see how Shade will want to give up their reclaimation of their ancestrial lands and how they can even be stopped. Im sure they will be stopped somehow though. I think that Shade will remain at its current location, as to the state of Anauroch......maybe the High Ice melt will be the new location for the Elves settlement from Evermeet??
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Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:10:50
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Wow...
I had never even thought of that....the elves are kind of "stuck" right now....but, Larethian always provides...and I have always had a feeling another "Tree of Life" would come into being like the one that Amlauril planted on Evermeet (or, at least I believe it was her).
That would make a GREAT ending to the trilogy if the elves showed up, helped win the final conflict and then turned the desert into an elven paradise...
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:27:35
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| See you admit it Elves suck Dwarves RULE. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Thanatos
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:48:26
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Dwarves suck, Gnomes rule 
Is "The Sorcerer" released yet? Because I'm having trouble finding it. |
"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:54:34
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| What, another dvardest, dose nobody like Dwarves. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Thanatos
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 20:01:39
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| Dwarves are okay, I just like gnomes more because they are a minority. |
"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 21:53:37
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| Year I surpose, we should join to gether, Dwarves and Gnomes, shoulder to shoulder, allied. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 03:47:22
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Tiax -
The scribes have locked down my other forum (the Elminster thing) thanks in no small part to your comments that had nothing to do with the question...Please do not do me that favor again by making comments unrelated to Shade Enclave (i.e - elves suck, dwarves rule) ...please be polite enough to repsect my wishes and the wishes of everyone else here by sticking to the forum's subject matter......I don't want this one locked down as well!
My thanks... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 09:53:50
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Thanks ArionElenim. Watching the last few posts had raised concern again. Could everyone please leave out any conflicts and discussions of "favorite race" from all the forums, this has had its own topic started by King Tiax but has spread onto numerous other forums as well.
Visitors to the forums do NOT want to read about "dwarves are better than elves" on every single topic. I personally am very interested in the return of Shade and am watching this topic for decent replies, so please lets get back to it.
I will be deleting irrelevent posts in the near future. Please respect these forums. Thanks. I cant say it fairer than that.
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 19:54:12
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| Well I see your argument, but that is what these forums are about, to put your views foward. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 21:34:09
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| There is, however, a difference between "putting your views forward" and blanket posting every thread with the statement that dwarves are better than elves or dwarven cities are better than elven cities. We all know by now that you like dwarves, king-tiax. We don't really need to be told repeatedly. |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 21:58:18
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| I just get cought in the thread of things, hay lighten up. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 23:24:54
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| Consider me "lightened up" |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2002 : 19:36:37
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My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Mahonar
Acolyte
Italy
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Posted - 19 Sep 2002 : 23:47:22
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I haven't read the Shades Trilogy, cos in my country they didn't translate them and i'm not quite used to read books in english...
but i would like to express my opinion :)
I dunno what there is in the old Delzoun ruins (Ascore), where Shades are excavating in search for something...but i'm quite sure that if they are trying to build a new Netheril Empire where now are Silver Marches, the Elves of High Forest will not stand idle watching that...they tried to stop the Netheril Expansion in the past (by stealing some of the Nether Scrolls), and they can do it now again. They're trying to raise a new Earlann Empire...and they would be not so happy to see their land stolen from down their b**ts for the Nth time :) |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2002 : 19:42:31
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My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 04:09:57
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Wow was I wrong....
I thought the end of the series, however, was so ambiguous that several of our theories are still plausible.
Still, a bet is a bet...
*hands the group a small bag of platinum coins
We'll see what happens next time, though, you money-grubbing so and so's........... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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SoulLord
Seeker
Mexico
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 16:22:26
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Anauroch is full of interest i was lead to believe
that some people (zentharim) had caravans passing through it.
that some other people (cult of the dragon) targeted the merchant caravans in the area to rob them.
and then we have the local bedine.
<are there other groups of influence working in the area?>
with the return of the citadel
im sure this groups will be affected somehow if not removed from the area.
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rowwhenn
Acolyte
France
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Posted - 07 Jul 2004 : 13:40:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Rad
SPOILER BELOW!!!!
....when the Shades laid their "blankets" over the High Ice to cause it to melt trying to recover the land they left behind. Dont get me wrong, Im concerned about the other destructive results of this action, the flooding of other lands west of Anauroch, the terrific storms etc.
Just go and watch the movie The Day After Tomorrow... and you'll have an idea of consequence ...
http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/
So , i'm ok with fight with elves - but druids will try to stop cataclysm too , i suppose - will they be able ? |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 08 Jul 2004 : 00:15:11
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quote:
Originally posted by SoulLord
Anauroch is full of interest i was lead to believe
that some people (zentharim) had caravans passing through it.
that some other people (cult of the dragon) targeted the merchant caravans in the area to rob them.
and then we have the local bedine.
<are there other groups of influence working in the area?>
with the return of the citadel
im sure this groups will be affected somehow if not removed from the area.
SoulLord
Soulord, I believe that the Shade Enclave has already started responding to the presence of the Zhentarim and Cult of the Dragon. I remember reading about how several caravans and slaver groups were wiped out by the Shades, who believe that the Anauroch Desert is rightfully theirs. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2004 : 00:38:33
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Somehow I picture an eventual alliance between The City of Shade and Thay. Perhaps brokered by an intercession of Larloch on Szass Tam's Behalf.
Heck, maybe the alliance would even finally give the man excuse to gie thay their boys back, and and the allies to finally let them conquer the world.
However, I have not read the series. Was any mention of the portal network centered on the Fortress of Blister mentioned? |
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Ordin_Solandar
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 07:30:48
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I dunno if Larloch started dabling in the political affairs of two very volitile nations it is almost certain to attract Elminsters and various Illuskan powers after all the lands of Arunoch have been controlled by many nations over the millenia.
In relation to a previous topic, the Shadovar draw there mystical energies from an ulternate weave then arcane spell casters. So there pressence in the realms does bosh for Mystra, in fact it may detract from her power. After all there are no wild shadow magic zones, nor dead shadow magic zones! |
Its easy not to care what people think, it harder to try! |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 15:43:00
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Originally posted by Ordin_Solandar
I dunno if Larloch started dabling in the political affairs of two very volitile nations it is almost certain to attract Elminsters and various Illuskan powers after all the lands of Arunoch have been controlled by many nations of the millenia.
speaking of groups of powerful, ancient liches: there´s a second group of those undead beings, imo as powerful as larloch and his sixty(?) liches!
my copy of "serpent kingdoms" arrived today, and i found on page 95 the following information:
(quote from SK)
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"the sixty sarrukh liches of oreme are ancient even by the standards of most undead. only one, always known as King Oreme, is awake at any given time to fulfill the duties of monarch. the remainder lie in repose in the Crypt of Dreaming Lizards, dreaming of lands long lost and awaiting their turns to rule (1). ancient contingency spells ensure that all the liches wake up if any real danger threatens the city, or if the current awake lich is destroyed or incapitated. the current leader can also awake all of his companions at once with a single mental command. ..."
so when the shades would start to scour the anauroch for (old netherese) magic, chances are good that they´ll discover oreme, and i can vividly imagine the beating they get, at least initially. what happens if only one shade escapes to tell the tale is beyond my imagination. extended spellbattles between the sarrukh liches and the shades that bind a good part of the resources of the latter, thus giving the powergroups that stand against shade breathing time?
(1)"underworld", anyone? 
btw: is it allowed to quote sourcebooks (without breaking copyright and getting in trouble with those mages who dwell at the beach)? if allowed, how extensively can the quote be?
[edit]: thx siriusblack for the citation-advice! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 15:55:25
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quote:
Originally posted by tauster
btw: is it allowed to quote sourcebooks (without breaking copyright and getting in trouble with those mages who dwell at the beach)? if allowed, how extensively can the quote be?
From Alaundo
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posting [copyrighted] information on the forum is permitted within reason. You must use the "Quote" function and state the source of the information. Even then, only sparse information should be given, not full sections of text.
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Ordin_Solandar
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 23 Jul 2004 : 21:41:14
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Unfortuneatly not tauster, you see that any direct confrontation between Arcane and shade magic users would be disastrous for the realms. Arounach may be a wasteland right now but if those 60 liches the Illuskans, or another powerfull group engaged shade then the world would be in serious peril. If the two types of magic mix it tears holes in reality, to other planes, nine hells abyss ect...
Although the threat of 60 liches stairing you down across the battlefeild is enough to make the mightest Archwizards squeemish. So in attempting to retake there ancient home lands the Shadovar may be limiting their influence on the realms, because using the shadow weave extensivly may become hazardous!
I am very curious as too what effect would manifest if a wild mage dueled a shadovar. Normall magic tears reality, but what would the unpredictable nature of wild magic do. Maybe a mixture of wild, shadow, and arcane magic would create a denser form of magic? |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 15:28:45
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| I didn't know the High ice was melting where can learn more on this it seems interesting. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jul 2004 : 17:22:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Senbar Flay
I didn't know the High ice was melting where can learn more on this it seems interesting.
Besides the Return of the Archwizards series, the Campaign Journal in Player's Guide to Faerun mentions this event. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 02:37:19
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| They are melting the High Ice by the use of Shadow Blankets that were mentioned in the Return of The Archwizards: The Siege. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 12:55:24
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| Well, it seems that the shade enclave is possibly in limbo for now, but I wonder will the Shade Enclave return to Faerun? If so, will we all expect surprises or rather nasty surprises? |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 18:32:37
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Well, it seems that the shade enclave is possibly in limbo for now, but I wonder will the Shade Enclave return to Faerun? If so, will we all expect surprises or rather nasty surprises?
Uh? It did return, in 1372 in fact. :) See the Return of Shade novels or the Player's Guide to Faerun which sums up those novels. |
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