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CarolinaPaladin
Acolyte
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 14:34:50
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I was playing Neverwinter Nights, and my human fighter was asked by Linu (an elven cleric of Sehanine Moonbow) to come to Evereska. I wondering, has any human besides Elminister and Volo ever been to the elven stronghold city?
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 14:48:14
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According to Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast harpers are allowed into Evereska, so I'd assume that human harpers can enter. The Vaasan soldiers in RotA trilogy were definitely human and no harpers and stayed in Evereska.
In general tho, no elves are allowed, and I think even the harper-clause doesn't even allow dwarves and other short stuff in even if they are harpers. |
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At your Behest
Acolyte
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 14:56:20
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Khelben was the first human to stay in Evereska after having saved three Evereskan elves from an Phaerimm ambush.
Source: Cormanthyr,Empire of the Elves (free download from the coast wizards) |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 14:57:50
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http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/evereska.htm offers quote:
Cywen of Neverwinter (NG hm R8): The only “official” Harper in Evereska , he serves on the council as the representative of N'Tel'Quess. Though he never speaks of it, he has been to Evermeet twice in his life, a rare and cherished gift from the elves.
It is clear that few humans even know about Evereska , let alone live there. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Edited by - Kentinal on 05 Jul 2006 14:59:28 |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 15:17:37
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 15:31:57
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| As with other elven kingdoms there is always the possibility of being let in if trusted, but from what I have red I have gotten the impression that entrance is not easily given to other than elves and elf-friends. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 03:31:47
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Originally posted by At your Behest
Khelben was the first human to stay in Evereska after having saved three Evereskan elves from an Phaerimm ambush.
Source: Cormanthyr,Empire of the Elves (free download from the coast wizards)
And the free download can be found on the Wizards downloads page.  |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 04:08:38
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Gee, Wooly, do you have the link permanently in your clip board?
About Evereska, Elfshadow says that the Halfway Inn was established specifically to be a place for non-elves to come and interact (and trade) with the elves of Evereska, and that, as far as most humans were concerned, the inn *was* Evereska. So I'd say, barring gigantic disasters (like RotA), any non-Harper wouldn't get past the inn.
I wonder what happened to the inn during the siege? I suppose it's a smoking crater now. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 04:41:47
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Gee, Wooly, do you have the link permanently in your clip board?
Actually, yes. I have an HTML page full of links that I use for surfing the internet. I added the contents of my "catchall" file to it, so I can cut and paste links and such for use here.  |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 04:59:26
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| I don't think this has been pointed out yet but I think in 'The Fall of Myth Drannor' book it is referenced that Evereska was a secret Elven stronghold. This would imply that most people wouldn't even know it was there. Although there seems to have been some point (either during the RotA series or some other series) when Evereska's existence became common knowledge, at least among the more traveled folk of the realms. I would have to say that Evereska's presence to well traveled folk of the realms would not have happened to a large amount of people before the the fall of Myth Drannor at least. And that is based on the info in Fall of Myth Drannor. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 05:09:57
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I am pretty sure that Evereska was cloaked entirely from sight.
Or maybe I'm just thinking of somewhere else. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 10:26:39
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Apparently in 284 DR (approx) the humans that dwelt in the Greycloak Hills found out about Evereska. That is actually only a small portion of Faerun folk.  Plus they seem to have kept it secret. There was an inlfux of Harper visitors though according to the history of Evereska I am getting this from. Mind that it may be unofficial lore from a Candlekeep section but it referenced various things that are canon such a Khelben's visit. Anyways thought every one would like to know. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 15:45:57
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quote:
Originally posted by At your Behest
Khelben was the first human to stay in Evereska after having saved three Evereskan elves from an Phaerimm ambush.
Source: Cormanthyr,Empire of the Elves (free download from the coast wizards)
And that ambush has finally seen print in the prologue of BLACKSTAFF, also available on the WotC site as the preview chapter (and Wooly kindly provided the link above).
Steven Schend
Who waited a good long while to weave back together lots of Khelben stories..... |
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The Sage
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 19:49:46
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The Harpers are so spoiled! The Standing Stone Accord between all parties interested in the Harpers cause (both divine fans and Elves) were gathered in Cormanthor (or the Dales, whatever is more accurate). Thus I fail to see why the Harpers deserve such an honor as to train and take shelter in Evereska. Then again I am not well read on the Harpers. (Sheepish grin) Is part of their thing to protect the Elves along with defeating evil abroad? I always thought the assistance to Elves was levied in the Cormanthor region only. Then again Khelben (or Eliminster) may have hooked the Harpers up with official links to Evereska. Some one please straighten me out over this Harper policy.  |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 02:24:35
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| Some of the Seldarine were the founding patrons of the Harpers. |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 07:57:32
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quote:
Originally posted by GothicDan
I am pretty sure that Evereska was cloaked entirely from sight.
Or maybe I'm just thinking of somewhere else.
Evereska isn't really totally cloaked from sight, even if magically hidden, the phaerimm can still see.
As for Harpers being allowed in Evereska, I think elven Harpers would have a higher chance of admission and good treatment compared to Human Harpers, even for Human Harpers who may be elf-friends, the elves may only offer slightly better than average treatment. Harpers are supposed to fight evil everywhere whenever they can, so I guess they would sure help the elves(be they anywhere) whenever they can. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 08:36:55
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| Funny you should reply Shadovar. I wonder if the Evereskan elves are remotely grateful for the Shades help in fighting off the Phaerimm? This may allow them a visit from time to time. However I think not due to some last incidents near the end of the war. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 11:10:08
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| RoAW.. Blech. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 12:24:23
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Originally posted by GothicDan
RoAW.. Blech.
... why is it that comments like this are made during a discussion? Some people, like me, are annoyed by a comment like that, it says way more than the usual rant, if you don't like the books fine, but the discussion was not about books but about canon facts regarding elves allowing humans into Evereska... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 14:45:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
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Originally posted by GothicDan
RoAW.. Blech.
... why is it that comments like this are made during a discussion? Some people, like me, are annoyed by a comment like that, it says way more than the usual rant, if you don't like the books fine, but the discussion was not about books but about canon facts regarding elves allowing humans into Evereska...
Because we don't like the canon facts and we are showing that? I agree with Gothic on this, and those canon facts will never appear in my version. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 14:52:16
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It's derailing the discussion, Kuje, that was the intent of my comment.
I have no problem with people's dislike of canon as it is, hell, I have a problem with one or two things myself, but it doesn't help answering any question, we can give examples of how we run things but to merely mark lore as negative is not very constructive and/or helpful |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 14:59:32
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
It's derailing the discussion, Kuje, that was the intent of my comment.
I have no problem with people's dislike of canon as it is, hell, I have a problem with one or two things myself, but it doesn't help answering any question, we can give examples of how we run things but to merely mark lore as negative is not very constructive and/or helpful
It's helpful for me, since it'll make me think about if I do or don't want to read that series or sourcebook, if I haven't already read or bought them. I, personally, don't see how it's not helpful but shrug. And this whole discussion is derailing the thread more then anything Gothic said. If anyone didn't like his comment, then ignore him. People ignore me all the time and I do the same in return, so I know it's possible. :) |
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Edited by - Kuje on 08 Jul 2006 15:00:51 |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 20:49:35
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Well, there were humans there, as for non humans, phaerimm most definitely, but not on invitation.
I wonder how does the mythal react with non-elves who just stumble into the city by accident? |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 01:31:03
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Evereska's Mythal throws meteor swarms.
I don't see any accidental humans wandering in. |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 01:38:47
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That would, indeed, be a painful accident.
Oh, and I've not read the preview for Blackstaff yet because (hopefully) it should be out soon, to it would only frustrate me to read it now, mere days from aquiring the book.
I remember for a long time I used Evereska as the default "were is this elf NPC from" since the entry jumped out in my mind when I read about the place in the Old Grey Box. |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 02:21:00
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Funny you should reply Shadovar. I wonder if the Evereskan elves are remotely grateful for the Shades help in fighting off the Phaerimm? This may allow them a visit from time to time. However I think not due to some last incidents near the end of the war.
Perhaps but the elves are said to be grudgingly grateful to the Shadovar, so I think some elves may at least deal with the shades in a at least minimally polite manner. Even so, the Shadovar might be able to note that the mythal has some shadow weave taint in it that can be exploited if they want to.
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Well, there were humans there, as for non humans, phaerimm most definitely, but not on invitation.
I wonder how does the mythal react with non-elves who just stumble into the city by accident?
Phaerimms are smart enough to avoid the mythal striking range but they may linger around for awhile outside the mythal striking range.
Non-humans who stumble into the city? Not very likely given that there are outer defenses, patrols and outer guardhouses outside the city so the chance of a non-human stumbling into the city is very low unless he fell from the sky directly onto the city. Since the last battle at Evereska(inclusive of the Phaerimm-Evereskan War and the daemonfey assault), I think the mythal would take a very serious perception of non-humans, and non-lethal to lethal force may be employed in reaction to the presence of a non-elven creature, if the creature is evil, maybe lethal force may be employed but those accompanied by elves are less likely to be struck down but no guarantee anyway.
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- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 02:24:11
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| It would be interesting to see if anyone follows up on the whole "Phaerimm decide to try to feed on Silverymoon's Mythal" hook that was mentioned in the PGtF. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 06:09:53
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Originally posted by GothicDan
I don't see any accidental humans wandering in.
Accidental humans? I know what you meant, but that wording amuses me. "Aw, crap, now I'm a human! How in the name of Garl Glittergold did THAT happen?"  |
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