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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 08:44:28
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During my last two campaigns I have used the Zhentarim, once as protagonists (the PC's were members in our first ever evil-campaign) and in the other campaign they were the major villains of the campaign. For those campaigns I did an extensive amount of Zhentarim research and I'm a bit tired of the Zhentarim...I know, it sounds odd coming from somebody with my screenname. But for my next campaign I want to do something different different and use the other cliche realms villains...the Red Wizards of Thay.
Most of the people in my group are not Realms-junkies like myself so I don't think that they will worry about them being cliche and I think it will actually be good for them in order to learn more about the realms.
That being said, before I run a game that focuses on a group, I like to know that group inside and out. So, finally, to my question...
What are the best sources of information regarding the Red Wizards of Thay?
I have access to every 3/3.5E book and a bunch of 2E stuff, though most of the 2E stuff is based around the Zhentarim such as Cloak and Dagger, Ruins of Zhentil Keep, etc...
So, I know they have a write-up in the FRCS and Lords of Darkness. I'm assuming there is some info in Unapproachable East and I figure there may be stuff in Champions of Ruin. Other than these sources, where should I look?
Other than sourcebooks, which novels can people recommend to me to become knowledgeable on the motivation, goals, and tactics of the Red Wizards of Thay?
Thanks in advance...
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 08:51:24
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| Part of Ed Greenwoods Silverfall - Stories of the 7 Sisters deals with the red wizards. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 08:52:13
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Well, there is the 1ed Dreams of the Red Wizards, and the 2ed box set Spellbound. Ed's short stories and novels have a few glimpses of Thayan thought and there was one early Harper book (which I have not red) that deals with the Red Wizards.
This was from memory, so I have probably missed several sources. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 11:26:07
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Well, there is the 1ed Dreams of the Red Wizards, and the 2ed box set Spellbound. Ed's short stories and novels have a few glimpses of Thayan thought and there was one early Harper book (which I have not red) that deals with the Red Wizards.
This was from memory, so I have probably missed several sources.
Thanks for the info...
Do you happen to remember the title of the Harper novel deals with the Red Wizards? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 11:29:24
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| Red Magic, I think its been out of print for quite a few years |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 14:25:21
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Thanks Jorkens. I just ordered it from an online used book seller.
Any other souces out there? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 17:18:18
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Crimson Gold and The Simbul's Gift.
Lords of Darkness, the 1e and 2e campaign box sets, the FRCS, Unapproachable East. Cloak & Dagger might have some info as well. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 30 Jun 2006 17:19:51 |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 21:25:21
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| I've found that the best Thay source is the Dreams of Red Wizards as was mentioned before. Not that expensive either if you shop around. |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 22:31:09
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| "Unapproachable East" isn't too bad either.. Gives a some info on life in Thay, geography details, relations with neighbors that help define the Thayvian mindset, etc.. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 07:49:56
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| Fellow Candlekeep Sage Sleyvas has done some outstanding non-canon work on the Red Wizards (which I have under 2nd Edition rules), including a short write-up of how the other schools of magic developed in Spells & Magic (Shadow, Elementalists, artificers, etc.) fit in to Thayvian society. He also created some additional noble families. I downloaded his writings in .doc format a long time ago, and I do not know if these are available anymore on the web... |
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Alaundo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 08:51:04
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
Fellow Candlekeep Sage Sleyvas has done some outstanding non-canon work on the Red Wizards (which I have under 2nd Edition rules), including a short write-up of how the other schools of magic developed in Spells & Magic (Shadow, Elementalists, artificers, etc.) fit in to Thayvian society. He also created some additional noble families. I downloaded his writings in .doc format a long time ago, and I do not know if these are available anymore on the web...
Well met
Hmmmm, i'd certainly be interested in taking a look at this, Thauramarth. I don't believe we have this tome here at Candlekeep (although it does ring a bell) |
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Thauramarth
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Jul 2006 : 07:40:06
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
Fellow Candlekeep Sage Sleyvas has done some outstanding non-canon work on the Red Wizards (which I have under 2nd Edition rules), including a short write-up of how the other schools of magic developed in Spells & Magic (Shadow, Elementalists, artificers, etc.) fit in to Thayvian society. He also created some additional noble families. I downloaded his writings in .doc format a long time ago, and I do not know if these are available anymore on the web...
Well met
Hmmmm, i'd certainly be interested in taking a look at this, Thauramarth. I don't believe we have this tome here at Candlekeep (although it does ring a bell)
Dear Big Al,
I have the text, as well as some other files produced by Sleyvas (all 2nd Edition rules) on my hard drive. I managed to google the Treatise on Thay - only one website come up: http://members.tripod.com/~trauma2/atreatiseonthay.txt . The original author is a member of Candlekeep forums (Sleyvas), and would probably be the one to talk to. |
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Alaundo
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