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thom
Seeker
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 Posted - 25 May 2006 : 15:40:59
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Ok my fellow sages;
I was looking through LEOF for new spells for my Lathander cleric PC when I saw Ray of Resurgence. Wow! A first level Clerical spell that 1) removes fatigue, 2) reverses a Ray of Enfeeblement's effects and 3) restores up to 5 points of strength?! Isn't that a little too powerful for a first level spell?
Or do you think it's a "lost spell of the ancients" and so that's why it's so powerful? I'm thinking of toning it down to just 2 out of 3 of the effects. What do y'all think about that?
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Kentinal
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Posted - 25 May 2006 : 16:18:05
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Well Ray of Enfeeblement is a level 1 spell. Also it is unlikely that many charaters would be suffering effects of fatigue, the spell and some other strength impairment.
It could be changed to or one of the effects, however I do not believe this is needed. |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 May 2006 : 21:16:16
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| Or you could keep it the way it is and raise it to a level 2 or 3 spell. Though I don't believe it is too powerful. Its main purpose is to remove penalties of various sorts rather than give bonuses. It means a character has to be affected by those sorts of penalties before this spell can be of any use. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 May 2006 : 23:50:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
Well Ray of Enfeeblement is a level 1 spell. Also it is unlikely that many charaters would be suffering effects of fatigue, the spell and some other strength impairment.
It could be changed to or one of the effects, however I do not believe this is needed.
It isn't. It's CL-bound, and it essentially has modal weak effects. It's unusual to see a character with any two of the three, let alone the three, and CL-bound cures for those effects are balanced at level 1 for clerics. Sorcerers and wizards get it at level 2; that's about right for them. |
Edited by - Arivia on 25 May 2006 23:51:02 |
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thom
Seeker
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Posted - 26 May 2006 : 16:45:58
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Thanks everyone for your answers! As it happens I asked Rich Baker on the WOTC thread and he said:
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Really, the spell is nothing but an un-debuffer. You have to get debuffed first before ray of resurgence can do anything for you. How many fights do you get fatigued or suffer Strength damage in? The ray is only good in those fights. Admittedly it does step on lesser restoration a bit, since it fixes Strength damage better and faster. If there's an effect that could use some pruning, it's probably that one. (my emphasis) But I don't think it's broken, just because the spell has such a narrow application. Unless you're fighting shadows, or your DM loves to give his evil wizards ray of enfeeblement, or your party includes a low-Con barbarian and you get into a lot of long fights, you'll have a hard time using the spell more than once every couple of adventures.
Since I just happen to be the evil DM who managed to get a wizard to successfully cast Ray of Enfeeblement and Touch of Fatigue on the party's poor tank I know that it does happen!
I'm thinking I might remove or reduce the Strength restoration part of the spell...
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 May 2006 : 19:15:56
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| Well there you have it. You yourself note that you can get two weakening spells off on one character who is primarily dependent on strength. That can be crippling depending on the circumstances. Poor tanks and fighers never get a break. Do you still think that a 1st level spell that reverses those effects is overpowered? Consider also the oft forgotten "controls" to such spells, it takes up a first level spell slot, there are some pretty useful first level spells out there the cleric could have used that spell slot for, and it takes a standard action to cast, a cleric can be doing a lot of things in a standard action. In this instance it promotes the cleric's role as a healer. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 26 May 2006 : 20:34:20
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| It seems an unlikely choice for a low level caster, but for high level casters with lots of removal/cancelling spells (remove paralysis, neutralize poison, remove fear, panacea, freedom of movement, heal, etc...), this is a good spell, especially when first level spells begin to become relatively meaningless. |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 26 May 2006 : 20:54:37
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I think it is balanced. Like some people have said it cancels penalties that come from spells, etc. It does not give bonus modifiers so it seems relatively limited in retrospect. But I would also say that if you are the DM and you do not like the spell then don't let your players use it. DnD is a custom game for every one. So make it your own.  |
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Is Ray of Resurgence (from LEOF) TOO powerful?
