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atlas689
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Is there a known hottest woman in the FR like a chosen of Sune? i know this could be a matter of opinion but try to stay away from that and focus on a just known beauty kinda like in the real world everyone knows that Adreana Lim is the hottest female on the planet. anyhow just a question for my micros, Tempus thanks you!
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Kuje
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 05:55:16
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Originally posted by atlas689
Is there a known hottest woman in the FR like a chosen of Sune? i know this could be a matter of opinion but try to stay away from that and focus on a just known beauty kinda like in the real world everyone knows that Adreana Lim is the hottest female on the planet. anyhow just a question for my micros, Tempus thanks you!
-Atlas
Who is Adreana Lim?
And this topic is to broad, as you can see from my reply. I've never heard of this person and someone who might be considered "beautiful" in Waterdeep wouldn't be considered that in Aglarond for instance. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 09:02:50
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I'm assuming you are referring to Adriana Lima.
As for the actual topic... I would have to agree with Kuje on this. Subjectivity is the key here.
Besides... Sune doesn't just support physical beauty -- "Beauty is more than skin deep". To me, that says that any truly beautiful being in the Realms should exemplify beauty in a way that is something more than just possessing pleasing physical traits. It's also about the beauty that emanates from the core of one's being... when one's personality and inner self are nurtured well -- bringing an inner harmony -- and reflecting beauty "from the inside" as well. Complete beauty should transcend the bounds of physicality.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 09:40:14
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While I do find myself rather smitten with Adriana Lima (she is, in fact, my current wallpaper!), I don't think she's the hottest female on the planet. She'd make my top ten list, but she'd not be in the top spot... In fact, I think I'd reserve that spot for a girl I used to work with... I didn't get to know her as well as I would have like, but what I did know of her was that she was absolute perfection.
Anyway, I guess this backs up the point that's already been made: beauty, both inner and outer, is entirely subjective. I had a female coworker that had all the guys fawning over her -- I couldn't stand her. I truly loathed her. And at the same job, a female coworker that most of the guys didn't pay attention to took a little piece of my heart with her when she moved. Actually, that happened with more than one girl there, and most of them didn't command much attention from my male coworkers.
It's all subjective. What works for some won't work for everyone. I don't think this question has an answer. It doesn't even fly in the real world -- how many people can identify the reigning Miss Universe? Of those people, how many would agree that she was even the most beautiful of the small selection of women who chose (and that's a major point right there) to compete for the title?
No, there is no "known" hottest woman in the Realms. And I doubt there ever will be. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 09:45:39
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Adarin
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 09:47:15
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Originally posted by atlas689
Is there a known hottest woman in the FR like a chosen of Sune? i know this could be a matter of opinion but try to stay away from that and focus on a just known beauty kinda like in the real world everyone knows that Adreana Lim is the hottest female on the planet. anyhow just a question for my micros, Tempus thanks you!
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*raises eyebrows* Everybody knows that in the realms the Seven Sisters and Queen Amlaruil are highly renowned for their fabulous beauty and wondrous inner character. |
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 09:53:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
While I do find myself rather smitten with Adriana Lima (she is, in fact, my current wallpaper!), I don't think she's the hottest female on the planet. She'd make my top ten list, but she'd not be in the top spot...
I, unfortunately (or not), can make no comment on that .
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No, there is no "known" hottest woman in the Realms. And I doubt there ever will be.
In fact, I don't believe such a concept can be ever truly be established or completely agreed upon for that matter -- purely and objectively -- because subjectivity and personal opinion are always at the very heart of such matters and considerations.
Though, there are likely "beautiful" people in the Realms who are considered the exemplars of true beauty and perfection by a significant number of people... they will always be examples based solely on individual interpretations rather than results that relate to an objective opinion which is applicable to the Realms as a whole.
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The Sage
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 09:57:20
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Originally posted by Adarin
*raises eyebrows* Everybody knows that in the realms the Seven Sisters and Queen Amlaruil are highly renowned for their fabulous beauty and wondrous inner character.
"Everyone" may not know that... and likely many simply have no interest because they, if they're humans, may not care for the elven physical form or their character/personality. Or if they are elves, simply appreciate beauty in ways that cannot completely conform to the ways in which humans interprete beauty, and thus look at those humans among the Seven Sisters as "just human".
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Ranaghar Tsaran
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 10:16:01
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The beauty is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
I think you can just try to make the micro of Sune or Hanali Celanil. Their beauty is unquestionable, is it? ;) |
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nb_nmare
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 10:51:06
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Faraer
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 12:10:35
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Sorry, but this is nonsense.
-- It isn't clear exactly what you mean by 'hot' (beautiful? sexually arousing?).
-- It isn't something with an agreed objective measure.
-- No general Faerûnian culture exists to be aware of such a thing.
-- No one has seen every woman in Faerûn.
-- People in Faerûn have better things to do than discuss beautiful women living hundreds of miles away who they will never see.
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Kaladorm
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 13:17:51
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Unfortunately I don't think each NPC has a golden ratio in their stat blocks (maybe something for 4E )
Anyway different cultures have different perceptions, hell I know I wouldn't find a women with a beard to be attractive but she could be close to a goddess in terms of dwarven beauty. It's impossible enough to put a human woman as the hottest without considering the other races.
I hate to say anything negative but I'm with Faraer on this one, seems a pretty pointless thread. |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 16:06:36
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Originally posted by Ranaghar Tsaran
The beauty is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
I think you can just try to make the micro of Sune or Hanali Celanil. Their beauty is unquestionable, is it? ;)
Doesn't the above statement say it all? You have to admit when you hang out with a bunch of guys (or girls) and you are talking about who you think is hot isn't it always surprising to hear what people will say. And most of the time your reaction will be like. WHAT!? Although I have to say Mystra holds a place in my heart with her stunning beauty.  Surprised? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 18:12:19
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Originally posted by Faraer
-- People in Faerûn have better things to do than discuss beautiful women living hundreds of miles away who they will never see.
Etc.
To extrapolate on this... We don't have wide-spread instantaneous communication in the Realms. That means that even if some woman is widely held to be the most beautiful on the Sword Coast, people in Cormyr or the Dales wouldn't have even heard of her. Likewise, the most beautiful woman in all of Sembia wouldn't be known of Amn.
So even if subjectivity wasn't a factor, the lack of wide-spread fast communication would still render it moot. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 18:27:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Faraer
-- People in Faerûn have better things to do than discuss beautiful women living hundreds of miles away who they will never see.
Etc.
To extrapolate on this... We don't have wide-spread instantaneous communication in the Realms. That means that even if some woman is widely held to be the most beautiful on the Sword Coast, people in Cormyr or the Dales wouldn't have even heard of her. Likewise, the most beautiful woman in all of Sembia wouldn't be known of Amn.
So even if subjectivity wasn't a factor, the lack of wide-spread fast communication would still render it moot.
Which is what I was getting at in my first post. :) |
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nb_nmare
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 19:36:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To extrapolate on this... We don't have wide-spread instantaneous communication in the Realms. That means that even if some woman is widely held to be the most beautiful on the Sword Coast, people in Cormyr or the Dales wouldn't have even heard of her. Likewise, the most beautiful woman in all of Sembia wouldn't be known of Amn.
So even if subjectivity wasn't a factor, the lack of wide-spread fast communication would still render it moot.
In the real world, wide-spread fast communication has only existed for a century or so, yet there have been women renowned for their beauty across vast distances for millenia. Even before her death, the beauty of Cleopatra, for instance, was known throughout the Roman Empire... and that's not exactly a small place, I think you'll agree :). |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 20:31:12
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But they didn't know what she looked like. It was basically acknowleged based on reputation, not direct evidence. It reminds me of Galadriel in the LOTR. Until Gimli saw her, he was skeptical about her appearance whenever it was mentioned to him. I can imagine that, yes, there are some people that might be generally held to be beautiful, but I can picture a lot of "Gimli's" as well that are assured that they are only saying what they are because the person telling them about the woman's beauty is biased.
Actually, though it wasn't about her looks, it almost reminds me about Arilyn in Silver Shadows hearing about how wonderful Amlaruil was from everyone, over and over again. |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 21:00:08
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| I think KnightErrantJR has a good point in his last sentence. Reputation is everything. Any reader of the Illiad would understand the power of reputation. Then again, I'm sure that every one who plays Forgotten Realms paper and pencil style see women of great beauty everyday while adventuring. I know I do. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 02:03:49
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Originally posted by nb_nmare
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To extrapolate on this... We don't have wide-spread instantaneous communication in the Realms. That means that even if some woman is widely held to be the most beautiful on the Sword Coast, people in Cormyr or the Dales wouldn't have even heard of her. Likewise, the most beautiful woman in all of Sembia wouldn't be known of Amn.
So even if subjectivity wasn't a factor, the lack of wide-spread fast communication would still render it moot.
In the real world, wide-spread fast communication has only existed for a century or so, yet there have been women renowned for their beauty across vast distances for millenia. Even before her death, the beauty of Cleopatra, for instance, was known throughout the Roman Empire... and that's not exactly a small place, I think you'll agree :).
Which is merely the result of ancient stories, tales and myths which -- with the distribution of races, the conquering of realms here and there and the pursuit of foreign trade -- has ensured some degree of information about a place and its people is always shared across the lands.
Think about "how" exactly most ancient world cultures became aware of the beauty and awe of Cleopatra -- 'twas mostly through the written and spoken word. And then, it was almost always only limited to the places in which Egyptian culture held some degree of prominence or was given consideration. Ancient traders in China obviously had no idea about the beauty of Queen Cleopatra... nor would they likely care to any specific measure because of the relative distance between their cultures and the lack of proper and regular communication.
Considering this, it's just as likely, as I said earlier, that groups of people in the Realms have people among them who they consider beautiful and the pinnacle of physical and emotion perfection... but they're ranked on a standard that isn't applicable Realms-wide because there is no standard culture across Faerun that can be used as a basis for this. While it is possible that the awe and beauty of a particular Realmsian lass has been used for the content of the latest minstrel's tale or bardic verse... it will be some time before such tales pass into the greater Realms from the community they were written in and for... and likely, by that time, peoples tastes and overall opinions will change.
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Skeptic
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 02:15:49
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I would try to ask to Ed.
He gave us so many cool NPCS when asked for top 10 fencers, top 10 fortune, and the like |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 02:24:39
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I would try to ask to Ed.
He gave us so many cool NPCS when asked for top 10 fencers, top 10 fortune, and the like
I think that might confound Ed as there are simply too many beautiful ladies in the Realms. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 02:26:14
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Just remember, Ed has said in the past that he doesn't like to answer "best of"-type questions (which I think this type of concept falls into). Each and every FR character Ed has created and has read about is special in its own way to him -- and each choice and reason is almost always based on the subjective view of the individual.
As it is though... a more generalised question about how "beauty" is appreciated and acknowledged in the many different cultures in the Realms (and as an expansion of previous details we know from the lore and from deity sources) would be interesting.
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Jindael
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 13:27:51
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Perhaps the question should be phrased as such: “Who are the top 10 women in the realms, human or demi-human (or perhaps shapeshifters such as Swanmays, Songdragons or a right sexy Werebear), who are renowned for their beauty? (Sort of like Helen of Troy.) The ones the bards sing about and the like, rather than just “hotties”?
Just to simplify it a bit, and not bog Ed down.
Heh, we should have a pre-staging area for questions to Ed, just to make his life easier. :p
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Faraer
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 13:41:59
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That's still a 'Who's the greatest?' question, and talking about 'the Realms' this way is wholly artificial. Who's to say whether a queen in the Utter East counts more or less than a Turmite courtesan? The sensible question would be either 'Who are some women renowned for their beauty?' or 'Who is renowned for their beauty in these specific places?' And even then, you have to specify date. 1374 DR is the 'current' year, but I'd be far more interested in twenty years earlier.
Of course, the modern, objectifying, spectacle-peddling idea of 'hot' women doesn't apply in the Realms. The Realms is a place to be free of such garbage. |
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 14:05:26
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That's still a 'Who's the greatest?' question, and talking about 'the Realms' this way is wholly artificial. Who's to say whether a queen in the Utter East counts more or less than a Turmite courtesan? The sensible question would be either 'Who are some women renowned for their beauty?' or 'Who is renowned for their beauty in these specific places?' And even then, you have to specify date. 1374 DR is the 'current' year, but I'd be far more interested in twenty years earlier.
Your question does make more sense. See, a pre-staging area for Ed questions would be good! :p
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Of course, the modern, objectifying, spectacle-peddling idea of 'hot' women doesn't apply in the Realms. The Realms is a place to be free of such garbage.
I see a lot of comments on beautiful women in most Realms fiction. Considering that there are at least two goddesses of Beauty, I think that the concept of physical attractiveness still rates pretty high up there. (I know that their tenants aren't solely about being all sexy-like.) Not that we really need a list of the top ten (I only entered this discussion with the aim of trying to clarify the question rather than interest in the subject), but I still think there is a fair amount of “objectifying, spectacle-peddling” going on.
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Faraer
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 18:21:53
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| People gossip about this kind of thing in the Realms, no doubt. But the modern Western concept of 'hotness' is based on both a very specific, manufactured view of sexuality and the mechanics of mass-produced photographic images. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 01:09:23
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Agreed.
And as I said above... beautiful women are likely the feature of many bardic tales and folk stories in the Realms. Surely talked about at dinner parties and envied every evening at grand noble gatherings in famous halls the Realms over. But, as Faraer just said, the understanding of beauty in the Realms is based more on a concept of beauty that can't subscribe to the more real-world modern understanding of "hotness" as it relates to physicality and sexuality. Of course, there is likely such similar aspects in the Realms also... but there isn't any type of mass medium that exists across the Realms that can facilitate such an understanding of "hotness" at the same time -- everywhere.
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darkflame millithor
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Posted - 10 May 2006 : 03:06:57
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Don't be put off by the other posts . who do you
think so the hottes woman in Toril,We know who lolth thought was the hottes drow Because she ate her! And I way I understand it Sune is the embodyment of physical beuty(The novels prince of lies,and trial of a mad god portait her as that.) The rivalry of sune and Hanali (who embodies elven beuty) is a friendly one. I say you make a poll. pick a side for elves and one for humans. Sorry dwarves and orcs ! |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 10 May 2006 : 03:13:56
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Hm . . . I would have to guess that Luthic was the closest thing that orcs have to a goddess of love . . . and while Berronar is Moradin's wife, I beleive the closest thing the dwarves have is Sharindlar . . . so between orcs and dwarves, I gotta go with Sharindlar.
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darkflame millithor
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Posted - 10 May 2006 : 20:49:37
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| Luthic is nasty,yuck! Berronar,Does she have a beard too? Does she a Sif have the same hair dresser(solid gold hair)? IS the beard solid gold too? I have heard that shandelar was the one who help the dwarves get the thunder blessing. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 May 2006 : 00:48:26
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And I way I understand it Sune is the embodyment of physical beuty(The novels prince of lies,and trial of a mad god portait her as that.)
I wouldn't say that's completely accurate. Both novels hint that Sune believes there is more to beauty than mere physicality. Worshipping the physical is more about how some worshippers choose to venerate Sune, rather than any clear-cut part of her dogma. Her entries in the 2e Faiths & Avatars and 3e Faiths & Pantheons also tell us much the same.
I would suggest you read over those as well for a more in-depth look at Sunite dogma.
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