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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 13:37:44
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I don't own a copy of the Epic Level Handbook. Can anyone tell me whether the following spells are in the Simbul's spell roster as she is written up there:
- feeblemind (5th level)
- chain lightning (6th level)
- Mordenkainen's Sword (7th level)
- polar ray (8th level)
If one or more of the above spells aren't in her roster, can someone tell me what offensive spells are there, for those particular levels? Thanks in advance.
-- George Krashos
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 13:47:37
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Feeblemind - yes.
Chain lightning - yes.
Mordenkainen's Sword - no. Instead she has prismatic spray (and limited wish and the Simbul's spell sequencer).
Polar ray - no. Instead she has sunburst (and mass charm, mind blank and polymorph any object). |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 13:50:32
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Thanks Reefy, you're a gem.
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 13:54:53
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| Any time. Are you able to tell enquiring minds why you're after this information, or is either secret or simply mundane? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 14:00:00
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Originally posted by Reefy
Any time. Are you able to tell enquiring minds why you're after this information, or is either secret or simply mundane?
Unfortunately, I can't say right now, much as I'd like to. But it is for a personal project. Thanks again.
-- George Krashos
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Sep 2006 : 06:14:58
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tsk tsk. nothing escapes the Simbul's name and song attunement, even if it was accidentally omitted an NPC stat block of the same name, despite the Simbul having invented its origin spell (see Spellfire, chapter 16)
My sense motive check (albeit only with a +5 modifier) leads me to wonder if you are giving statistics to a heretofore unknown Chosen of Mystra, or other creature with spell immunities of each spell level, whom may by design or destiny seek to stand against or obstruct the Witch-Queen in her aims. Also, on that note i will seize upon the self-given opportunity to point out the completely unrelated fact (but which nonetheless needs as much exposure as possible) that Simbul's own spell immunities are erroneous in 3E, as they were largely duplicated from the roster of immunities possessed by Storm, despite previous lore to the contrary.
P.S. Not having the Epic Level Handbook isnt really much of a problem when it comes to the FRCS NPCs, given that they are largely error-ridden cut & pastes from the FRCS, with much of the errors laying in missing innumerous epic skill points, epic ability score adjustments, or other errors as well; either new to the ELH versions, or carried over from the FRCS. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2006 : 23:44:34
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| George keep in mind this, which is canon. She sometimes uses a wish spell to remove a spell from her repertoire to replace with a new one. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 00:38:37
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Another Chosen? A foe of the Simbul? No, nothing like that. It's something better ...  
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 04:20:42
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Originally posted by sleyvas
George keep in mind this, which is canon. She sometimes uses a wish spell to remove a spell from her repertoire to replace with a new one.
Aye, they basically threw that bit of text in there so that they could keep her as a sorcerer, without preventing her from potentially making use of Alamanther's Return, Blade in the Soul, Elminster's Evasion, Eye of Mystra, Eye of Power, Khelben's Dweomerdoom, Laeral's Crowning Touch, Maw of Chaos, Ringweave, Simbul's Spell Trigger, Sphere of Wonder, or any of a dozen or more rare/unique 9th spells that she either created, had a hand in creating, or was otherwise one of the few mages in Faerun who knew them, or who could cast them, or who commonly prepared them. |
Edited by - The Simbul on 08 Sep 2006 04:22:55 |
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 04:21:41
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Another Chosen? A foe of the Simbul? No, nothing like that. It's something better ...
-- George Krashos
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12103 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 17:35:20
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>>Aye, they basically threw that bit of text in there so that they could keep her as a >>sorcerer, without preventing her from potentially making use of Alamanther's Return, Blade >>in the Soul, Elminster's Evasion, Eye of Mystra, Eye of Power, Khelben's Dweomerdoom, >>Laeral's Crowning Touch, Maw of Chaos, Ringweave, Simbul's Spell Trigger, Sphere of Wonder, >>or any of a dozen or more rare/unique 9th spells that she either created, had a hand in >>creating, or was otherwise one of the few mages in Faerun who knew them, or who could cast >>them, or who commonly prepared them.
Yeah, I know why. I'm sorry, she'll never be a sorceror in my game. She wasn't in 1st edition, She wasn't in 2nd edition. She was always portrayed as someone who "developed" tons of special spells to allow for chaining spells. Sorcerors pretty much don't do that, because they only have a handful of spells to work with.
All this being said, I'm becoming more inclined to the warlock once I started thinking about the fact that they can't do multiple blasts in a round (i.e. a warrior with full attack may land 2 to 8 blows in a round, each of which could have energy dmg or sneak attack dmg, etc...). What they need to do is combine the two concepts. Warlocks who get their ability from draconic blood, or outsider blood, or divine blood, etc.... rather than consigning themselves to a being for their power. They could still be called sorcerors, and Warlocks would be sorcerors who end up making pacts with powerful beings for some kind of enhancements. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2006 : 18:50:10
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Simbul != Sorcerer.
Wizards can be every bit as chaotic and passionate as Sorcerers, despite whatever stereotypes core 3E is throwing at us. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2006 : 02:19:56
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| Slightly off topic, but The Simbul, are you The Simbul of Wizards Forum? |
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 : 07:31:38
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Originally posted by GothicDan
Simbul != Sorcerer.
Wizards can be every bit as chaotic and passionate as Sorcerers, despite whatever stereotypes core 3E is throwing at us.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Yeah, I know why. I'm sorry, she'll never be a sorceror in my game. She wasn't in 1st edition, She wasn't in 2nd edition. She was always portrayed as someone who "developed" tons of special spells to allow for chaining spells. Sorcerors pretty much don't do that, because they only have a handful of spells to work with.
Personally I DO think she should be a sorcerer, in fact I think there are numerous realms NPCs who should be sorcerers as well. The fact that she wasnt in 1ED or 2ED is because they didnt exist. While there are sources that discuss her (obiously) having spellbooks, there are also sources that talk of her instinctive feel for magic, and other phrases i could look up but dont have the energy for.
The problem isnt with her being a sorcerer from the RP or lore standpoint, its more to do with the sorcerer being a class that has no support in terms of game features that enhance the classes abilities or compensate for its weaknesses. If we had a sorcerer equivalent of psychic reformation and psychic chirugery (from the Psionics SRD), as well as Sean K. Reynold's headband of sorcerous knowledge and/or Joshua Cole's Knowstones, then it would not be so much of an issue to be a sorcerer a Forgotten Realms campaign...where the number of available Sor/wiz spells skyrockets from those in the PHB.quote:
All this being said, I'm becoming more inclined to the warlock once I started thinking about the fact that they can't do multiple blasts in a round (i.e. a warrior with full attack may land 2 to 8 blows in a round, each of which could have energy dmg or sneak attack dmg, etc...). What they need to do is combine the two concepts. Warlocks who get their ability from draconic blood, or outsider blood, or divine blood, etc.... rather than consigning themselves to a being for their power. They could still be called sorcerors, and Warlocks would be sorcerors who end up making pacts with powerful beings for some kind of enhancements.
Personally, I hate the warlock, and the warmage, and the spellthief, and pretty much all of the new classes as a whole. But i dont want to drag the issue off topic, especially on a forum where WoTC wont have ample opportunity to take note of my gripes. |
Edited by - The Simbul on 12 Sep 2006 07:33:50 |
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 : 07:35:14
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 : 16:37:20
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Originally posted by The Simbul
Personally, I hate the warlock, and the warmage, and the spellthief, and pretty much all of the new classes as a whole. But i dont want to drag the issue off topic, especially on a forum where WoTC wont have ample opportunity to take note of my gripes.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 07:31:45
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I don't own a copy of the Epic Level Handbook. Can anyone tell me whether the following spells are in the Simbul's spell roster as she is written up there:
- feeblemind (5th level)
- chain lightning (6th level)
- Mordenkainen's Sword (7th level)
- polar ray (8th level)
If one or more of the above spells aren't in her roster, can someone tell me what offensive spells are there, for those particular levels? Thanks in advance.
-- George Krashos
George,
The Simbul's spell roster can be whatever you need it to be.
It was published that she regularly used Wish spells to change her spell roster. So she can have any spell you need her to have. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 07:37:39
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Simbul's Spell Roster:
O--Arcane Mark, Dancing Lights, Detect Magic, Flare, Light, Mage Hand, Mending, Open/Close, Read Magic.
1st--Burning Hands, Comprehend Languages, Enlarge, Feather Fall, Magic Missile.
2nd--Alter Self, Cat's Grace, Daylight, Shatter, Web.
3rd--Dispel Magic, Fireball, Fly, Wind Wall.
4th--Charm Monster, Fire Shield, Polymorph Other, Shout.
5th--Feeblemind, Telekinesis, Teleport, Wall of Force.
6th--Chain Lightning, Control Weather, Disintegrate.
7th--Limited Wish, Prismatic Spray, Simbul's Spell Sequencer.
8th--Mass Charm, Mind Blank, Polymorph Any Object, Sunburst.
9th--Simbul's Spell Trigger, Simbul's Synostodweomer, Time Stop, Wish. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 08:11:39
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Thanks for that guys. I'm currently waiting to see whether the info can be showcased the way I want it to be.
-- George Krashos
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 08:26:25
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Originally posted by warlockco
Simbul's Spell Roster:
O--Arcane Mark, Dancing Lights, Detect Magic, Flare, Light, Mage Hand, Mending, Open/Close, Read Magic.
1st--Burning Hands, Comprehend Languages, Enlarge, Feather Fall, Magic Missile.
2nd--Alter Self, Cat's Grace, Daylight, Shatter, Web.
3rd--Dispel Magic, Fireball, Fly, Wind Wall.
4th--Charm Monster, Fire Shield, Polymorph Other, Shout.
5th--Feeblemind, Telekinesis, Teleport, Wall of Force.
6th--Chain Lightning, Control Weather, Disintegrate.
7th--Limited Wish, Prismatic Spray, Simbul's Spell Sequencer.
8th--Mass Charm, Mind Blank, Polymorph Any Object, Sunburst.
9th--Simbul's Spell Trigger, Simbul's Synostodweomer, Time Stop, Wish.
Bear in mind that daylight, polymorph other, and control weather have all changed spell levels in 3.5, meanwhile Simbul's synostodweomer is, as per Magic of Faerun and the Spell Compendium, a 7th level spell. Meanwhile, Simbul's skeletal deliquescence (which doesnt appear in her 3.0 repertoire, and is largely trumped by polymorph any object) was lowered to a 4th level spell in the Spell Compendium.
In addition, many spells have changed, dramatically or otherwise, since the revision, such as wall of force, Simbul's spell sequencer, Simbul's spell trigger, and timestop.
Plus, the ability for sorcerers to swap out spells as they level up, in addition to her use of wish spells, makes it even more redundant for her to have alter self as a known spell, given that she has shapechange as a supernatural ability, and dispel magic really aught to be exchanged for its greater version at the very least.
Lastly, with the release of additional material, there is larger competition for spells to be included into her repertoire. While spells of 5th level and under can be covered with her wizard levels, higher level spells may need to be squeezed or negotiated into her known sorcerer spells. Among some of the spells associated with either her or the Seven Sisters as a whole, we have Alamanther's Return, Lightning Ring, Fleshshiver, Laeral's Crowning Touch, Howling Chain, Maw of Chaos, etc. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 : 11:53:33
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Originally posted by The Simbul
Bear in mind that daylight, polymorph other, and control weather have all changed spell levels in 3.5, meanwhile Simbul's synostodweomer is, as per Magic of Faerun and the Spell Compendium, a 7th level spell. Meanwhile, Simbul's skeletal deliquescence (which doesnt appear in her 3.0 repertoire, and is largely trumped by polymorph any object) was lowered to a 4th level spell in the Spell Compendium.
In addition, many spells have changed, dramatically or otherwise, since the revision, such as wall of force, Simbul's spell sequencer, Simbul's spell trigger, and timestop.
Plus, the ability for sorcerers to swap out spells as they level up, in addition to her use of wish spells, makes it even more redundant for her to have alter self as a known spell, given that she has shapechange as a supernatural ability, and dispel magic really aught to be exchanged for its greater version at the very least.
Lastly, with the release of additional material, there is larger competition for spells to be included into her repertoire. While spells of 5th level and under can be covered with her wizard levels, higher level spells may need to be squeezed or negotiated into her known sorcerer spells. Among some of the spells associated with either her or the Seven Sisters as a whole, we have Alamanther's Return, Lightning Ring, Fleshshiver, Laeral's Crowning Touch, Howling Chain, Maw of Chaos, etc.
Quite true, however I was just posting the list as provided in ELH since that is what George wanted to know.
And as I had said previously, she has been known to use Wish to change her spell roster. I think that was in the FRCS for her, not entire sure where I saw it, but it was in an entry about her though. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 13:36:51
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Simbul, in the hope yer reading this...
could you PM me your revision of the Simbul with Ultimate Magus incorporated?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 17:34:59
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Simbul, in the hope yer reading this...
could you PM me your revision of the Simbul with Ultimate Magus incorporated?
Thanks
You may want to email or PM her. She's not been around in about a month. |
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Marc
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 18:00:48
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Simbul, in the hope yer reading this...
could you PM me your revision of the Simbul with Ultimate Magus incorporated?
Thanks
Mace, check this thread http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=719544
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