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Firhyanda
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2006 :  08:07:24  Show Profile  Visit Firhyanda's Homepage Send Firhyanda a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Greetings All

I am working on some background for a new player to our group a gnome cleric 5 alienist 1 wow I never would have thought of that. He’s going for an HP Love Craft style mad gnomish Cleric, natural evil. Conceptually I really like the character he’s focusing on summoning and took bolth augment summoning and alienist PRC to back it up so when he asked me for some long dead gods for his cleric to worship I thought I owed it to him to put some research in. This seemed like a vary original idea to me unfortunately all I could find on lost gods were these seven. They are: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, Tyranthraxus the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten. Is there any additional information on these deities in any Realms source? Is there a specific god of stone giant’s in the Realm’s and if so, can any relationship be drawn between that deity and the oldest of the seven lost gods? The player is showing some creativity and I want to give him all the help I can as DM. Thanks in advance.

The Sage
Procrastinator Most High

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Posted - 13 Apr 2006 :  13:08:45  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
See Faiths & Avatars and Faiths & Pantheons.

Additionally, here's some tidbits from George and Eric:-

quote:
George:
The matter of the Seven Lost Gods has always been one of Eric's pet FR
conundrums, and without pre-empting his inevitable contribution to this
thread, I believe the Seven Lost Gods should include the following:

1. Jergal
2. Garagos
3. Moander
4. Shaundakul
5. Ghaunadar

Note that this leaves two slots free, and I have some idea as to which
gods I'd put in, but the fact is that there is no 'canon' answer to this
question. Put in any "old" gods you like - heck, make up some gods that
have been slain or have died due to loss of worship/neglect. Also in
Off-List discussion, the tie between Westgate and the Seven Lost Gods
has been discussed. We know little of the history of Westgate and we
don't even know who or what first colonised the area. Suggestions in
regard to the nation that first founded Westgate have centered mostly on
Jhaamdath (sp?) - the nation first discussed in LOI and EotSS. What gods
did the nation of Jhaamdath worship? It seems that FR conundrums never
go away.... :)

Eric:
First a bit of background:

The novel "Azure Bonds" revealed that there were seven hills with rings
of stone plinths south and west of Westgate. One of these hills, the
Hill of Fangs, was firmly associated with Moander.

In an off-hand reference in one of Ed's novels, there is a reference to
the "Seven Lost Gods." I can no longer find this reference, but I know
its out there somewhere. (If you find this reference, please let me know
the source and page number.)

When I was working on the Major Centers of Worship write-up in Moander's
write-up in F&A, I linked the two, and now the "Seven Lost Gods" are
firmly tied to the seven hills outside of Westgate.

In "Ruins of Myth Drannor", just before the discussion of Shaundakul,
there is a discussion of "old" gods whose worship is faded. This
discussion mentions that the cult of Garagos was once strong in Westgate
and that Savras was once venerated as the god of worshipers in the
South.

In "Prayers from the Faithful," we learn that Silvanus was once
venerated in a vanished woodland south and west of the city of Westgate.

I recently learned about five heretofore-unknown names of gods who
"bowed down before Bane." This is mentioned in the book that accompanied
the old "Pools of Radiance" computer game.

So, who are the Seven Lost Gods?

Only Moander is an absolute given, as noted above.

Garagos, and to a lesser extent, Savras, seem like likely candidates
given their geographic centers of interest.

Given that "Lost" seems to imply "gods whose worship has declined
significantly and who may or may not be dead", I might add the following
deities to the list:

Jergal and Ghaunadaur. (Jergal, while not dead, has certainly vanished
from the perspective of most humans of Faerun. Ghaunadaur seems like a
good candidate because he attracts only a few cultists, and he's dark,
sinister, and evil.)

Other possibilities include Silvanus (because of that PftF reference)
and Shaundakul (although the latter's base was farther north, around
Myth Drannor.)

The five names from the computer game "Pool of Radiance" are interesting
candidates as well. One theory I'm considering is that the "current"
Seven Lost Gods were venerated outside of Westgate several centuries
ago. However, their temples were built atop the ruins of an earlier
civilization, and that realm's temples were dedicated to seven truly
lost and forgotten deities. Maybe the five names mentioned in "Pool of
Radiance" were of that civilization, and their "bowing down to Bane"
occurred when the Father of Xvim was in his ascendance long, long ago.
The web enhancement for Cloak & Dagger describes who they really are:- http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/WGtimeline.doc

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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 :  05:23:04  Show Profile  Visit bloodtide_the_red's Homepage Send bloodtide_the_red a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've always thought the Seven Lost Gods were evil/inhuman/monsters. Such as Moander, but not gods like just Savras.

Stone Giants in the Realms follow Skoraeus Stonebones, and as far is know he would have nothing to do with the seven lost gods.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 :  15:41:25  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The type of character he's describing might also be worthwhile to look into using vestiges and pact magic from the Tome of Magic. Just an option. Both would seem to lend themselves to a person with a kind of cultish worship of beings from the nether regions.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Kophyn Wistnel
Acolyte

United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 :  00:22:42  Show Profile  Visit Kophyn Wistnel's Homepage Send Kophyn Wistnel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tyranthraxus, the Flamed One ,aka the Possessing Spirit.

He/It featured heavily in the old (1e?/2e?) adventure Curse of the Azure Bonds. It's actually one of my favourite adventures as it's on quite a huge scale and encompasses many regions of the Realms.

I also believe that Tyranthraxus appeared in the Ruins of Adventure book that led into the Curse of the Azure Bonds. I'm not 100% on that but recall some background info from the introduction within Curse of the Azure Bonds.

I'm at work at the moment but can post some more detailed info for you regarding Tyranthraxus when I get home and gain access to the adventure itself.

I'm not really sure if Tyranthraxus would be suitable for your friend the Gnome though.

Edited by - Kophyn Wistnel on 15 Apr 2006 00:24:28
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe

New Zealand
137 Posts

Posted - 15 Apr 2006 :  14:50:09  Show Profile  Visit Trace_Coburn's Homepage Send Trace_Coburn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kophyn Wistnel

Tyranthraxus, the Flamed One ,aka the Possessing Spirit.

He/It featured heavily in the old (1e?/2e?) adventure Curse of the Azure Bonds. It's actually one of my favourite adventures as it's on quite a huge scale and encompasses many regions of the Realms.

I also believe that Tyranthraxus appeared in the Ruins of Adventure book that led into the Curse of the Azure Bonds. I'm not 100% on that but recall some background info from the introduction within Curse of the Azure Bonds.

I'm at work at the moment but can post some more detailed info for you regarding Tyranthraxus when I get home and gain access to the adventure itself.

I'm not really sure if Tyranthraxus would be suitable for your friend the Gnome though.

Without having actually played that one myself... I think you may mean the Pools of Radiance adventure/series. Amongst my novel collection, 'tis within the pages of Pools of Radiance that Tyranthraxus the possessing spirit is found lairing in the ruins of Phlan and eventually vanquished. Azure Bonds is the Alias-centric novel (adventure?) involving Moander.

D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.

FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.

I just got back into this, okay? Give me time (or better yet money) - I'll catch up soon enough.
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