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Waldham
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 Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 09:58:53
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Fiendring : ... Once per day, the wearer of a fiendring can take the form of any fiendish creature, demon or devil that can be summoned by a summon monster I, II, III, IV spell. Only one form can be assumed with each use, but the wearer gains all the assumed form's extraordinary, spell-like, and supernatural abilities. The wearer's type changes to outsider, rendering him vulnerable to spells and effetcs that affect evil outsiders. ...
Do the fiendring give to the character Outsider type ? and Evil subtype ?
If the effect is permanent then by a spell, can the character take a PrC with the Outsider type and Evil subtype requirement ?
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Nether Scrolls : Two sets of nether scrolls exist, each consist of fifty individual scrolls. ...
Readinf even one nether scroll offers considerable insight into the Art. Any character sudying one immediately gains one level in an arcane spellcasting class of her choice.
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The nether scrolls are divided into five chapters, each covering a different aspect of the Art. A character who manages to read all ten scrolls that make up a chapter gains an additional benefit whose nature depends on the topic studied. ...
So, a character that read the fifty or hundred scrolls, gains 50 or 100 levels in arcane spellcasting class ? 
Or 50 only because the two sets are identical ? (five chapters x ten scrolls = 50 scrolls)
Thanks for your future answer.
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Edited by - Waldham on 09 Apr 2006 10:11:23
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Mr. Wilson
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 10:09:58
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First question answer: I wish I had LeoF on hand to answer this, as I'm pretty sure there's a time limit to the activation.
From that blurb you provided, I would say that you would gain the Outsider type and Evil subtype, as that's pretty well stated, but the change would only last as long as the ring functioned, so this would rule out taking a PrC that requires both of the above mentioned.
edit: misunderstood the question. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 10:12:22
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Originally posted by Waldham
Do the fiendring give to the character Outsider type ? and Evil subtype ?
Just the Outsider type, although the text suggests the evil subtype, too.
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If the effect is permanent then by a spell, can the character take a PrC with the Outsider type and Evil subtype requirement ?
This is not covered in the rules, the FAQ, or any relevant errata. I don't know. *watches multiverse explode*
*returns to sleep, hopes it works this time*
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Originally posted by Waldham
So, a character that read the fifty or hundred scrolls, gains 50 or 100 levels in arcane spellcasting class ?
Or 50 only because the two sets are identical ? (five chapters x ten scrolls = 50 scrolls)
Thanks for your future answer.
Missed this. 50 levels only; the two sets are identical. |
Edited by - Arivia on 09 Apr 2006 10:13:50 |
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 10:13:36
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I edited my topic. I added other questions.
The transformation lasts 12 minutes, but I asked when in the case where a permanency effect applied. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 10:15:24
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Originally posted by Waldham
I edited my topic. I added other questions.
The transformation lasts 12 minutes, but I asked when in the case where a permanency effect applied.
Still isn't covered. This is likely because such an effect can't be turned permanent according to the rules.
EDIT: A polymorph-type effect can be turned permanent using epic spellcasting; I can't think of another rules case that works. Continual-duration magic items don't work due to the inherent bonus/enhancement bonus Intelligence skill point modifier corner case.
EDIT2: Staring at this post, I just realized something --- I'd swear some of the stuff in 3e's ruleset is more complex than what occurs in my actual local legal code.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 13:59:01
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Originally posted by Waldham
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Fiendring : ... Once per day, the wearer of a fiendring can take the form of any fiendish creature, demon or devil that can be summoned by a summon monster I, II, III, IV spell. Only one form can be assumed with each use, but the wearer gains all the assumed form's extraordinary, spell-like, and supernatural abilities. The wearer's type changes to outsider, rendering him vulnerable to spells and effetcs that affect evil outsiders. ...
Do the fiendring give to the character Outsider type ? and Evil subtype ?
If the effect is permanent then by a spell, can the character take a PrC with the Outsider type and Evil subtype requirement ?
If made permanent, I'd have to say yes to the second. I'd also say yes to the first. But keep in mind that I'm not hot on the rules.
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Originally posted by Waldham
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Nether Scrolls : Two sets of nether scrolls exist, each consist of fifty individual scrolls. ...
Readinf even one nether scroll offers considerable insight into the Art. Any character sudying one immediately gains one level in an arcane spellcasting class of her choice.
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The nether scrolls are divided into five chapters, each covering a different aspect of the Art. A character who manages to read all ten scrolls that make up a chapter gains an additional benefit whose nature depends on the topic studied. ...
So, a character that read the fifty or hundred scrolls, gains 50 or 100 levels in arcane spellcasting class ?
Or 50 only because the two sets are identical ? (five chapters x ten scrolls = 50 scrolls)
Thanks for your future answer.
Keep in mind that while someone could gain those 50 by reading the entire set, finding an entire set should be incredibly difficult -- I'd make it tougher than even the "average" epic quest. Even a single Nether Scroll (and one set is scattered) is incredibly powerful, and would be something a lot of mages would sell their mothers, girlfriends, familiars and first cousin's pet hamsters to own. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 09 Apr 2006 14:01:00 |
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 14:04:07
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| Can a drow studying the nether scrolls become a elven High Mage (PrC described in Races of Faerūn, with as the racial requirement : 3 elven subraces and the approbation from other High Mages) ? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 14:59:58
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Originally posted by Waldham
Can a drow studying the nether scrolls become a elven High Mage (PrC described in Races of Faerūn, with as the racial requirement : 3 elven subraces and the approbation from other High Mages) ?
I'd say no. We don't have any evidence (that I recall, I could be mistaken) that Elven High Magic is recorded in the scrolls, and even if it was, the requirements for the PrC still exclude drow. |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 15:24:38
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Arivia is correct when she says someone who actually manages to recover the netherscrolls (provided all of them still exist) would gain 50 levels. There are 50 scrolls in a set and the second set is identical giving no more of a bonus.
To the post author's question of whther a drow could read the nether scrolls and thereby become elligible for the Elven High Mage PrC:
The answer is no. Elven High Magic is not another name for Epic Spellcasting. The prerequisites for taking the prestige class (races of faerun 182) specifically state thatthe candidate must meet the approval of all the elven high mages alive at the time.... now that is excessive but it is generally held to mean at least all the high mages in your wizards school or arcane society. No elven high mage would ever let a drow study their ways... EVER. In fact the description of the PrC says only Sun, Moon and Wood elves are Elven Hig Mages.
That being said a drow who read the scrolls and gained epic level would still be an elven mage and a pretty powerful one at that... but s/he is not a High Mage and does have access to the lore necessary to specialize in mythal craft as the high mages do. S/he might be even more powerful than High Mages, inherently!
Now on what Wooly talked about with elven magic being held in the scrolls...
One complete set of the nether scrolls exists in the form of the QuesTeranthvar, a golden tree deep in the vaults of Windsong tower. This set was developed by the elves studyig there into something more than the nether scrolls. It gives a deeper understanding of elven ways of magecraft and The Art. This is because the scrolls are alterable to some extent. They change with the race who cares for them and builds on their experience and traditions. This may be because the scrolls are based on racial traditions of "lesser" creatures. The creators of the nether scrolls studied primitive forms of magic and combined the practices and built on them... the scrolls were later built upon by many other creator races until they reached their present state and the state of the Teranthvar! (I'm developing a campaign focusing on the teranthvar growing seeds!!!!)
The only problem is that the tower was "blown sky high" during the fall of Myth Drannor. The extradimensional vaults still exist but are nigh impossible to locate... that and they are guarded by at least one extremely powerful Elven epic wizard.
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 15:53:57
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It seems me that there are a mean in Cormanthyr Empire of the Elves that permit to someone to change his subrace, no ?
I search informations about Hall of Mists under the Great-Father Tree.
I looked in Silver Marches, there are a description about the Great-Father Tree, but nothing on Hall of Mists.
Are there informations on Hall of Mists ? If yes, in what book, or what link for an official information, please ? |
Edited by - Waldham on 09 Apr 2006 16:03:45 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 16:21:27
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Originally posted by Waldham
It seems me that there are a mean in Cormanthyr Empire of the Elves that permit to someone to change his subrace, no ?
I search informations about Hall of Mists under the Great-Father Tree.
I looked in Silver Marches, there are a description about the Great-Father Tree, but nothing on Hall of Mists.
Are there informations on Hall of Mists ? If yes, in what book, or what link for an official information, please ?
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 17:54:12
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Thanks, Kuje.
With the two stone golems, and the 81 giant ants (shift out of the phase as the phase spider) (68 worker, 1 queen (regeneration as a troll), 12 warrior(5HD, regeneration as a troll)), what will the level necessary for the character (and their number) to survive in Hall of Mists ?
The map from Savage Frontier :
[img]http://jathiman.free.images/roots.jpg[/img]
Where enter the party to access to the roots of granfather tree ?
Can you indicate me with a cross on the map, please ? |
Edited by - Waldham on 09 Apr 2006 18:49:26 |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 18:37:59
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Originally posted by Waldham
Thanks, Kuje.
With the two stone golems, and the giant spider warped (68 worker, 1 queen, 12 warrior), what will the level necessary for the character (and their number) to survive in Hall of Mists ?
The map from Savage Frontier :
[img]http://jathiman.free.images/roots.jpg[/img]
Where enter the party to access to the roots of granfather tree ?
Can you indicate me with a cross on the map, please ?
It wouldnt really do to have the party enter the halls.... the scrolls are no longer there.
also they are mutated giant fire ants with fiendish qualities not warped giant spiders. |
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 18:51:44
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In Lost Empires of Faerun, three scrolls are in the Hall of Mists. Why say you that there aren't here ?
I edited my post before you answer.
Fiendish ? fire ? where do you have theses informations please ? |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 19:10:26
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"Once again silence reigned in the Hall of Mists, but this time absent the Nether Scrolls." from the link given to you by Kuje.
whats happens is:
In -2463 or soemthing those three nether scrolls were returned to the halls of mists where they were created millenia ago by the Ba'etith by a mysterious thief who steals them back from the netherese.
in 1344 Mintiper Moonsilver is attributed as telling the story of a half-elf named lunargent who, trying to escape these giant fiendish fire ants, uncovers the halls of mists. He awakens teh guardians of the place and jumps into the nearest portal. That portal happens to be a portal to the negative energy plane. The nether scrolls are powerful artifacts which destroy the portal ratehr than be transported tehre and destroyed. Lunargent is sent to a random destination on the material plane and the nether scrolls are also sent to a random destination on the material plane.
The crypt of Hssthak still has the two scrolls in it though so you could stage a campaignaround that instead of thsi oen which is empty.
all this info can be found in the link given to you above by Kuje. |
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::moussaoui tries to interrupt::
"You will never get a chance to speak again and that's an appropriate ending."
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 19:32:41
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Prudently, the tale ends with the suggestion that neither the Hall of Mists nor Lunargent holds the alleged set of Nether Scrolls he discovered, although one wonders how the omniscient narrator is so sure that this partial set of Nether Scrolls no longer lie beneath the ancient Grandfather Tree.
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6] Mintiper did indeed discover three of the Nether Scrolls, although whether they remain within the Hall of Mists or were hurled elsewhere by the magical eddies unleashed during the destruction of the third gate remains unknown.
The three nether scrolls as indicated in Lost of Faerūn published after these articles, section artifacts p.156 :
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The other set has been broken up and mostly lost. At least until the Year of the Moonfall (1344 DR), three scrolls from this latter set lay in the Hall of Mists beneath the Granfather Tree of the Hight Forest.
I don't find the teleportation of the three scrolls in theses articlies (link given by Kuje).
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Edited by - Waldham on 09 Apr 2006 19:40:24 |
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Acolyte
Germany
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 20:05:59
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If you read closely the Mintiper Chapbook then you will be seeing that they were apparently teleported.
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Waldham
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 20:35:50
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Apr 2006 : 20:51:02
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its sure that they no longer are in the halls of mist. its repeatedly and clearly stated.
I was dissappointed about this myself but the search continues.
also the quote you gave supports the fact that they are no longer there
"At least until the Year of the Moonfall (1344 DR), three scrolls from this latter set lay in the Hall of Mists beneath the Granfather Tree of the Hight Forest." this means were there until 1344 (when this mintiper thing came out)
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[Lost Empires of Faerūn] Fiendring, Nether Scrolls
