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grinning demon
Acolyte
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 Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 13:10:09
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Where might I find info on the various deities for the more evilly inclined humanoid races, other than the info in Faiths and Pantheons.
Particularly interested in Goblins and Kobolds
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 13:31:36
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Originally posted by grinning demon
Where might I find info on the various deities for the more evilly inclined humanoid races, other than the info in Faiths and Pantheons.
Particularly interested in Goblins and Kobolds
The 'definitive' work on the matter was the 2e sourcebook Faiths & Avatars, but being so long ago and OOP, I doubt that's much help to you.
I can't vouch for the 'canonicity' of what you'll find through the following, but FWIW, the head deities of the goblin and kobold racial pantheons are "Maglubiyet" and "Kurtulmak", respectively; you should find at least *some* useful information using those as keywords for Google searches.
I hope this helps.  |
D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 17:40:24
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Originally posted by Trace_Coburn
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Originally posted by grinning demon
Where might I find info on the various deities for the more evilly inclined humanoid races, other than the info in Faiths and Pantheons.
Particularly interested in Goblins and Kobolds
The 'definitive' work on the matter was the 2e sourcebook Faiths & Avatars, but being so long ago and OOP, I doubt that's much help to you.
While this would be correct for the human deities of Faerūn, that book only focused on human deities. The wonderful trilogy of deity books (the other two being Powers & Pantheons and Demihuman Deities) only focused on the civilized races of the Realms.
The two tomes Sage mentioned are the best sources for info on the monstrous races. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 25 Mar 2006 17:41:17 |
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grinning demon
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 23:05:17
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 07:46:23
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Monster Mythology is also available as a PDF-download from Paizo and RPGNow. So are the three "Godsbook" series (Faiths and Avatars, Powers and Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities, where some of the writeups of the gods include notes about humanoid worsh On Hallowed Ground, to my infinite regret, is not (about the only PS supplement not transformed into downloadable PDF, though the Sage may correct me on this).
If you are interested in "not-strictly speaking canon" material, one Thomas Rinschler has done an unofficial "Faiths and Avatars"-like writeup of the bugbear, goblin, orc, kobold, and lizardmen pantheons, as well as the so-called interloper gods (non-racial deities who are trying to get more humanoid worshippers) (all 2nd edition stats, but they are quite close in style to "Faiths and Avatars" etc.). They are on MasterAo's page, http://www.masterao.com/articles/articles.asp?action=showsubcat&id=23 . They were quite good, IMHO, and they have the advantage of including some Realms-specific references.
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 12:51:04
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
Monster Mythology is also available as a PDF-download from Paizo and RPGNow. So are the three "Godsbook" series (Faiths and Avatars, Powers and Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities, where some of the writeups of the gods include notes about humanoid worsh On Hallowed Ground, to my infinite regret, is not (about the only PS supplement not transformed into downloadable PDF, though the Sage may correct me on this).
If you are interested in "not-strictly speaking canon" material, one Thomas Rinschler has done an unofficial "Faiths and Avatars"-like writeup of the bugbear, goblin, orc, kobold, and lizardmen pantheons, as well as the so-called interloper gods (non-racial deities who are trying to get more humanoid worshippers) (all 2nd edition stats, but they are quite close in style to "Faiths and Avatars" etc.). They are on MasterAo's page, http://www.masterao.com/articles/articles.asp?action=showsubcat&id=23 . They were quite good, IMHO, and they have the advantage of including some Realms-specific references.
Which is why I got the wrong impression about what came from where - I'd downloaded those, seen the file-/folder-names, and mistook them for out-takes from the real deal.  Please excuse me while I feel a little daft....  |
D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 13:05:02
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Monster Mythology has long been one of my favorite supplements. Rather than simply give us stat write ups (like I need these for any campaign I run), descriptions of worship, and such, but they also gave some of the backstories of the deities. I especially liked the stuff between Kurtulmak and Garl Glittergold.
These backstories, while not missing, have been very lacking in most D&D products. When one studies a pantheon, one doesn't just look at each deity individually, but examines the stories of each god. Not just their introduction into the pantheon, but their trials and tribulations, past loves, and even petty foibles. Due to page length, sadly much of the mythos has been skipped over in order to give us stat blocks. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Mar 2006 : 14:40:03
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Originally posted by Sarta
Monster Mythology has long been one of my favorite supplements. Rather than simply give us stat write ups (like I need these for any campaign I run), descriptions of worship, and such, but they also gave some of the backstories of the deities. I especially liked the stuff between Kurtulmak and Garl Glittergold.
I have to agree with Sarta here. Monster Mythology has always been an important addition to the "Big FR Deity Book Triad" for me... right along with On Hallowed Ground.
It's not specifically a Realms-tome though... as it deals with deities in generic AD&D also... but it's always handy to have access to especially when you're looking for that one obscure deity reference to drop into your campaign.
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Paj
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 15:27:30
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Are all of these god still accepted as having a presence in FR as of 3.5 Edition?
AFAIK unless specifically stated that they are not in the Realms by a new sourcebook, most, if not all of the Gods are still found in and amongst Fareun and its planes.
I ask because the Aaracokra had a Deity in 2e, Syranita. But in the 3rd Edition Faiths and Pantheons under the blog abpout Aerdrie Faenya it states that the Aaracokra worship her. So i am unsure if they worship both Aerdrie and Syrantia, or just Aerdrie...
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 18:25:09
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A few people asked Richard Baker about the passage at the back of Faith & Pantheons that states, "If there are other deities not dicussed in this book, then then those other deities do not exist," or words to that effect. He said that that passage has since been ignored and retconned and so, there's really no reason why Syranita isn't the deity the Aaracokra worship, since they did worshiper her in the old lore.
Nor do I buy some of the fan work that claims she is a aspect of Aerdrie. That makes no sense to me and it doesn't fit either of thier lore.
Further, we've seen many sourcebooks and novels bring back the deities that were retconned out from that passage in Faiths & Pantheons. Skerritt instead of Silvanus, for the centaurs, is mentioned in Lisa's trilogy. Eric has brought back two or more of them. Etc.
So to sum up, ignore Faith & Pantheons and bring back the deities that were retconed out for no reason other then, "There were to many deities and WOTC figured that people couldn't remember all of them." because WOTC has since ignored that and started to bring them back. |
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Paj
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 08:45:08
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| Good good. Methinks im going hunting on Ebay to find this Monster Mythology Book. Does the Book cover their realms as well? or am I better off hunting for On Hallowed Ground for details on the realms of the Monster/Demi-Gods? |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 09:23:18
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Monster Mythology is a general AD&D book. It was meant as a companion book to whatever Deities and Demigods orwhatnot was. So you also got the gods of elves and whathaveyou in there. It will probably take a little work to integrate them into your campaign.
But since this is probably only for NPCs it is really up to you what and how much you rework the info. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 13:15:44
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Originally posted by Paj
Good good. Methinks im going hunting on Ebay to find this Monster Mythology Book. Does the Book cover their realms as well? or am I better off hunting for On Hallowed Ground for details on the realms of the Monster/Demi-Gods?
Monster Mythology doesn't provide great detail on domains for each of the deities covered within. You'll want On Hallowed Ground for that. Also, if you're really interested in learning about the FR deities and their domains during the days of 2e as they were on the Great Wheel, I would also recommend the three Planes of ..... boxed sets for the PLANESCAPE setting. They provide significant source material on each of the outer planes and the deity domains positioned within them.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 17:44:32
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Originally posted by Paj
Good good. Methinks im going hunting on Ebay to find this Monster Mythology Book. Does the Book cover their realms as well? or am I better off hunting for On Hallowed Ground for details on the realms of the Monster/Demi-Gods?
Monster Mythology doesn't provide great detail on domains for each of the deities covered within. You'll want On Hallowed Ground for that. Also, if you're really interested in learning about the FR deities and their domains during the days of 2e as they were on the Great Wheel, I would also recommend the three Planes of ..... boxed sets for the PLANESCAPE setting. They provide significant source material on each of the outer planes and the deity domains positioned within them.
Just a fyi, Sage doesn't mean thier clerical domains that they grant in 3e/3.5e. :) He means thier planar domains, i.e, thier realms on the planes. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 02:30:03
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Well, I thought the "source material on each of the outer planes and the deity domains positioned within them" was enough to suggest that I was actually talking about places rather than temporal deity elements.
Ah well  .
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 02:47:34
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Originally posted by The Sage
Well, I thought the "source material on each of the outer planes and the deity domains positioned within them" was enough to suggest that I was actually talking about places rather than temporal deity elements.
Ah well .
Well, you can never be to clear, especially for those who don't have english as a first language. They might have thought domain meant the domains deities grant to thier clerics. :) |
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Goblin, Kobold and Other Humanoid Deities
