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Holy Slayer of Lathander
Acolyte
Germany
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 Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 10:54:48
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Greetings, Sages most learned.
I am searching for descriptions of the two marvelous women controlling the wonderful country of Cormyr, namely the Steel Regent and her trusted advisor.
I need references or the description of both their personalities and their looks.
If you would be so can and help me (or point me to the right direction), I would be most delighted.
May Lathander shine on your souls.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 11:08:50
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| I'd read the Cormyr series. The three books provide some insight on those two. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 11:13:25
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I'd read the Cormyr series. The three books provide some insight on those two.
El's Daughter is easily the best source on Caladnei besides the FRCS, including details on the relationship between the two; I don't recall if Caladnei even appeared in the Cormyr series. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Holy Slayer of Lathander
Acolyte
Germany
3 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 11:22:10
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Read the Cormyr seveies, but found it somewhat dry on Caladnei.
I guess I will have a try with El's Daughter. (Though the first three Elminster books were very... hard to read. Part of me wanted to feed the fire with 'em. I wonder how I could finsih them alive.) |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 12:55:51
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Admittedly it takes some time getting used to Ed's style in the Elminster series. It took me two tries to get through both Cormyr: A Novel, and Elminster: Making of a mage.
Try reading when you are well rested, it helps ;-) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 15:53:26
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| Also look through my Ed files that can be found in my sig. He's discussed the two of them on and off in 2004 and 2005. Use the index and search for them. :) |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 17:54:15
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| If you can get your hands on the Dragon Magazine Annual for 2000, it has an article of Cormyr "After the Dragon," the discusses Alusair somewhat. Furthermore, Alusair appears in one of the short stories of Best of the Realms II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood, and both Caladnei and Alusair appear in Ed's "When Shadows Come Seeking A Throne" in Realms of Shadow. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 18:02:43
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I'd read the Cormyr series. The three books provide some insight on those two.
El's Daughter is easily the best source on Caladnei besides the FRCS, including details on the relationship between the two; I don't recall if Caladnei even appeared in the Cormyr series.
She was there for bit |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 16:24:17
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The best physical and character descriptions of Caladnei and Alusair are definitely in Ed's unpublished "character sketches" of them, done in preparation for his Realms of Shadows short story.
Being as you can't get to read that, the next best thing is reading that story and ELMINSTER'S DAUGHTER. For one thing, it's the only place you'll find hair and eye colour, descriptions of how they move and their physical habits (poses, etc.), and speech between them in relaxed (as opposed to public, formal) moments.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 19:51:58
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Character Sketches from Ed.. sounds like a good WOTC website article series  |
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w2b
Acolyte
Italy
30 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 11:45:02
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| i have read about alusair and caladnei's personalities and their past, now i wonder if the drawings in the frcs are accurate... they gave alusair a mithral armor but it's golden in the pic. also, you can't really see what color her eyes and hair are. i suppose she must be quite a strong woman physically, but i don't know how old is she, nor any other details. as for caladnei, i know she's half turmian and half cormyrean... but i still haven't understood how turmian people are supposed to look like. some people draw them black-skinned, but their names resemble italian or spanish names. considering i don't have access to the novels, can anyone give any detail? |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 12:33:01
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Assume the illustrations aren't accurate.
Alusair is born 1335 DR (1310 CR).
Folk of Turmish are mahogany-skinned; where does it say different? Vilhon names sound slightly Mediterranean, but that doesn't guarantee any other likeness. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 12:36:37
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Character Sketches from Ed.. sounds like a good WOTC website article series
With the villains, they'd be ideal for Dungeon's "Critical Threat" column. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 17:38:30
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Originally posted by Faraer
Assume the illustrations aren't accurate.
Indeed. Especially with some of the earlier 3.x stuff. It seemed as if the artists weren't required to read descriptions of what they were supposed to illustrate. It was a big complaint, a few years ago.
I think they've done a lot better with that, of late, though I'm still not overly impressed with much of the artwork. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 17:53:36
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| It still looks to me as if either they aren't given detailed art orders, or aren't made to follow them. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 18:11:44
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In all fairness this started in late 2ed. For example Lockwoods boy-band version of Fzoul on the cover of Villains lorebook didnt exactly match the descriptions and illustrations already done.
The artwork has been getting a little better lately; power of Faerun actually had a couple of pieces I liked (a couple of Daarkens and Ron Lemens work. I still miss the classic 80's and 90's stuff. |
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w2b
Acolyte
Italy
30 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 19:07:59
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Assume the illustrations aren't accurate.
Alusair is born 1335 DR (1310 CR).
Folk of Turmish are mahogany-skinned; where does it say different? Vilhon names sound slightly Mediterranean, but that doesn't guarantee any other likeness.
well, looking at old szass tam and matching his pic with the description i admit i had thought these pics aren't that accurate 
so alusair was born in 1,335dr? that means she's 37 in 1,372. thank you! i still wonder if someone knows her hair and eye color...?
nowhere i've seen it is hinted about how the people of turmish look like (in frcs they only talk about their square beards, spicy food and good armors), but a picture of caladnei shows her with a complexion that while not fair can't certainly be described as mahogany... dusky at best. or tan. another inaccurate picture i guess? but how come turmians are so dark-skinned when they're so further north than chult, tashalar, and even calimshan? thanks again!
mmh, now that i think about it, if pics aren't to be trusted, then fzoul chembryl's pics with blond hair and moustaches and a gem on his forehead are not correct either? and manshoon in that helmet? where can i find some drawings of all these people where they appear a bit more like they are described? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 19:21:18
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Originally posted bt w2b
mmh, now that i think about it, if pics aren't to be trusted, then fzoul chembryl's pics with blond hair and moustaches and a gem on his forehead are not correct either? and manshoon in that helmet? where can i find some drawings of all these people where they appear a bit more like they are described?
I used this example as it is one of the most irritating ones for me personally. Fzoul has been described as red-headed and all earlier depictions of him showed him with the banites facial tattoos. And why give him a moustache that looked as if it was made out of horsehair? He was also made a decade or so younger in the Lockwood version. |
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w2b
Acolyte
Italy
30 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 19:33:00
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it is as a matter of fact an example that i'm very interested in!
so fzoul is older, red-haired, with the banite facial tattoos (what do they look like?) and without moustache? well that makes more sense... it's a pity lockwood made him all wrong when he's such a good artist.
thank you jorkens! (i knew his hair had to be red, i read it in the tot trilogy! ^___^ ). |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 19:40:37
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| We are derailing the thread here, but he has a moustache, I was complaining over Lockwoods drawing style on that subject. When It comes to the age thing, it is more in comparison with earlier pictures. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 20:05:25
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w2b, see FRCS p. 221, right under 'Life and Society' -- and every other write-up of Turmish.
Manshoon's lucha libre mask ('battle gorget'), like Elminster's seanconnerization and sword, is a deliberate new look thought up by the FRCS design team. |
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w2b
Acolyte
Italy
30 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2006 : 21:52:06
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oh dammit, yes it does say they have dark skin. sorry everybody, didn't want to derail the thread, and thanks for all the info about manshoon and chembryl and the two ladies of cormyr!
thank you! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2006 : 01:03:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Faraer
Assume the illustrations aren't accurate.
Indeed. Especially with some of the earlier 3.x stuff. It seemed as if the artists weren't required to read descriptions of what they were supposed to illustrate. It was a big complaint, a few years ago.
Indeed.
Incorrect drow skin tones wasn't fun the first time around. 
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Octa
Learned Scribe
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2006 : 18:41:41
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Yeah I bet Ed's prose is just hell for a non-native speaker of english, you really need to read it like you were speaking it, and then it shines right through, plus I think it has gotten alot better, I made it about half way through Elminster in Myth Drannor, but read Elminster's Daughter in like one night.
Anyways, I really dig the Moustache, I superimpose Fzoul's picture on Vorcingeterix and go from there! I better watch it or I'll start painting myself Blue again and running around the neighborhood. By the by boys and girls if you are going to do that make sure you do it when you are sober, trust me on this its pretty hard to explain otherwise to the local constabulary.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 16:13:56
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| I'd think they'd have an easier time accepting why you're doing it if you're not sober, me. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 16:20:18
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| Don't forget thre is a mini of Alusair that is a must have. |
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w2b
Acolyte
Italy
30 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2006 : 17:05:59
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| sure, in the aberrations set... (btw i wonder what's the rationale for putting poor lady obarskyr in a set called 'aberrations'!)... |
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