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Mazrim_Taim
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2006 : 08:42:06
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**some very very minor spoilers**
I am almost finished with this series, and I am really liking it. One thing I enjoy is how much attention is focused on Gromph, gosh he's cool. I was wondering what everyone thought the future holds for my favorite archmage? He seems content, but will ambition lead him to try and become a lich? Top 5 reasons to love Gromph
1. He's very irritable (he reminds me of, me in this regards)
2. Even Jarlaxle said he was afraid of him, so +1 to coolness
3. He has survived and flourished in a position of power in a female dominated society
4. He has a rat familiar
5. He has his own interdimensional room that was created by 5 of his peers that he had to kill later +1 to coolness
Also, if anyone has any reccomendations of stories with Gromph in them, besides the Drizzt series, I'd really appreciate it. 
I guess I got kind of tired of Drizzt and how predictable he became. I think it was a relief to read about (for the most part) evil characters.
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And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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silverwizard
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Posted - 23 Feb 2006 : 18:00:04
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Hmmm, the only thing that comes to mind regarding Gromph Baenre is the Drizz't series, and that simply sucks. I think Gromph is mentioned in the first book featuring Liriel (and the only one I have read), Daughter of the Drow. I trust the learned sages and scribes of Candlekeep will provide some advice on the matter.
I consider Drizz't too predictable as well. I think he has been overplayed without being adequately developed (not to mention the rest of his party).
Since the title of this topic is "War of the Spider Queen", i thought I'd ask you about the eponymous series. I have completed it, and I must say I was quite disappointed by the final book, Resurrection. I know I might just have driven some people mad (remember, Candlekeep is a safe heaven for book-lovers ), but I think this book was by far the worst in the series, partly because of the expectations the previous books raised.
To clarify, while trying to keep my post as clear of spoilers as possible, I felt somewhat cheated when I finished the book. What I kept asking in my head was "So, what happened???". I had to read six books to find out in the end that nothing happened, and the fact that SO MUCH WAS POSSIBLE which the authors failed to take advantage of (or simply chose to outright ignore) only makes matters worse. I wish I knew why...
I would be interested to hear what others have to say on the matter. |
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silverwizard
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Posted - 23 Feb 2006 : 19:02:51
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| It appears I made a mistake... I was so eager to post that I overlooked the fact that there is another thread on this subject. I apologise for that, and I ask that moderators be so kind as to move my post if they think it is appropriate (although I do get the feeling my post will be redundant, given the amount of posts in the other thread). |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Feb 2006 : 21:45:29
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Hmm well, I am still reading the last book but don't worry I didn't read past the spoilers. I will give my opinion on it when I do finish though.
But I agree with the things you said about Drizzt. At first I loved the guy, I read Icewind Dale and then I started on the Homeland series and I was like o_O
Later in the books however, the most interesting characters where Jarlaxle and Artemis. I'm glad they got their own series :P |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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silverwizard
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Posted - 23 Feb 2006 : 23:00:55
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I really hope they kill off Drizz't because he has outlived his usefulness. There is a certain guy called Raistlin Majere and he's featured in less books than Drizz't. Counting only the main ones, by Weis & Hickman: Chronicles + Legends + Dragons of Summer Flame + Dragons of a Vanished Moon, that's EIGHT books full of literary merit, as opposed to 17 books that feel forced and contrived, especially the latter ones.
As for Entreri and Jarlaxle getting their ownm series, they're indeed quite interesting, but it does strike me as bad that WotC can't even properly introduce a new series. The first book of the series is considered to be "Servand of the Shard", which has already been published as the Paths of Darkness book no. 3 (and is part of the Paths of Darkness Collector's Edition). Now, all of the sudden, it is dubbed "The Sellswords part II". Oh well...
On the plus side, it is good that the action takes place in the Bloodstone Lands (about time). According to some reviews I've read, it is really predictable, however, and I am not ready for another dose of Salvatore right now. |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 02:15:22
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Well at first that is why I liked drizzt, it was unique at the start. But then the books just kept coming, and coming, till eventually the cast of characters in it became predictable and boring.
I like unique series. War of the Spider Queen was unique because it featured so many writers and some interesting new characters. If you have any suggestions of realmslore of the same nature (Just unqiue) i'd appreciate it.
I've pretty much only read.
The Drizzt Books
War of The Spider Queen
The Cleric Quintet
And the D&D FR books.
I hear the avatar series is pretty good?
Yeah, I am a big fan of dragonlance as well ^^ |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 05:40:29
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Book 6 was somewhat of a dissapointment but I don't feel it had anything to do with Kemp's writing. He had to stick to the story line that was prearranged. Over all the series was a good read and I especially liked the early books.
I can only think of Gromph in Drizzt novels and the ones about his daughter Liriel, but I don't remember them saying all that much about him. |
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silverwizard
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 08:59:40
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| I agree that Paul S. Kemp shouldn't really be the target of comments re. the series as a whole. After all, he was not given free rein. It is impossible to have absolute control when you're writing the sixth book of a six-book series (too much has happened, or at least I hoped so). So, Paul S. Kemp is not really the one to blame. |
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Beezy
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 15:30:30
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| I have read some of Kemp's other work and it is amazing. His work in the sembia series and the cale trilogy is some of the better stuff I have read recently. I rate it up there in my favorites list of FR novels. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 15:37:00
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Originally posted by Beezy
I have read some of Kemp's other work and it is amazing. His work in the sembia series and the cale trilogy is some of the better stuff I have read recently. I rate it up there in my favorites list of FR novels.
Indeed. And if you look through the FR Novels section here at Candlekeep you'll note several scrolls of discussion dedicated to many of Paul's works.
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FireKnife
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 22:53:40
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| War of the Spider Queen was a great series. The only book that did not stay true to the characters was Extinction . Lisa lost grasp of the characters.It's my opinion. She is a great writer but missed the soul of the characters, she did fine with Halisstra. I was impressed with all the authors of the series though taking on the drow and doing it well. They built got R.A.'s drow down well. I really enjoyed Phil Athans book. I really wish some things had turned out differently for some characters. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 23:03:43
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Originally posted by FireKnife
They built got R.A.'s drow down well.
This always bothers me when I see it, RAS did not invent D&D Drow. They were arround before he wrote about them. Even good Drow were about per rules before he wrote about them. |
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silverwizard
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 10:03:58
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Indeed they were... Weren't there some old Greyhawk modules featuring the drow as arch-villains before Forgotten Realms even existed?
Now, as to the series, as I said earlier, the questions that one should be asking are: "ok, so, after reading six books, what do I find so vastly different about the drow? Does that difference warrant a six-book series?"
ATTENTION, SPOILERS!!!
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Well, from the point of view of the reader, the only changes are minor (destruction of Ched Nassad, defeat of the duergar), and even Lolth's transformation to a greater goddess is, IMHO, not apparent to the non-gaming reader. Plus, the question of HOW this affects drow society is left unanswered. It shouldn't, considering that we've read SIX books!!! At least now the fact that the Demonweb Pits and the Abyss are separate planes according to the new FR cosmology can finally be explained.  
I understand many people liked the series, but there are also many people who did not. I find myself belonging to the latter category. I can't help but feel that so much potential was ultimately wasted. |
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 05:11:44
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Originally posted by silverwizard
Indeed they were... Weren't there some old Greyhawk modules featuring the drow as arch-villains before Forgotten Realms even existed?
Now, as to the series, as I said earlier, the questions that one should be asking are: "ok, so, after reading six books, what do I find so vastly different about the drow? Does that difference warrant a six-book series?"
ATTENTION, SPOILERS!!!
... you have been warned
Well, from the point of view of the reader, the only changes are minor (destruction of Ched Nassad, defeat of the duergar), and even Lolth's transformation to a greater goddess is, IMHO, not apparent to the non-gaming reader. Plus, the question of HOW this affects drow society is left unanswered. It shouldn't, considering that we've read SIX books!!! At least now the fact that the Demonweb Pits and the Abyss are separate planes according to the new FR cosmology can finally be explained.
I understand many people liked the series, but there are also many people who did not. I find myself belonging to the latter category. I can't help but feel that so much potential was ultimately wasted.
I thought the series was rather good. It does not take a realms chaning event to get me interested but it was kind of odd that there was so much potential for a coupel of large changes in the realms but things ended up, for the most part, the same as it started. My main complaint is that the characters i disliked lived and the ones I really liked died haha. But I thought the first 2-3 books were amazing and the rest were all great too but the storyline they had to follow brought my opinion of them down a little. |
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Ethriel
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 14:54:25
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Towards the end of the series, frankly, things went to hell.
SPOILERS:
Ryld's death. Horribly done and seriously, an AXE shattering a drow's greatsword? Add that to his and Halisstra's stupidity towards the end...
Pharaun's death. It was badly done, annoying and for such a character as Pharaun, he kicked around horribly in the last books...despite all he was, he did care about Ryld and would never just write off his death so casually. They took away someone who could've gotten his back at the end. Well, what's our reward after seeing him save the day DESPITE fighting on and abandoning his selfishness?
The lack of any change really...ok, Ched Nassad's gone, Baenre's got a vassal house...ok, this effects much how? Thanks a lot, RA...thanks a lot for keeping Eilistraee and Vhaeraun in the background with their boring wretch of a mother who got old the moment we saw her in Errtu's pit in the front with even MORE power...and refusing to topple your precious House Baenre
Total. Lack. Of closure. Yay, House Banere's ok! Wooohooo, now...about Dyyr, Pharaun with his Alu, Kaanyr Vhok and his alliance wih Nimor, subplots and characters abandoned, Vhaeraun and Selvetarm...Can we just have one bok where Lolth doesn't come out on top? The Masked Lord is so much more fascinating and much smarter, give him the drow and we'll see how things change. |
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Jindael
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 15:14:49
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I've not read the last few posts because they were very kindly marked with spoilers, but as far as the original question, Gromph is featured in the first Starlight and Shadows book with Lireal. He actually plays a very importiant part in Lireal's life.
And I'm probably spelling Lireal's name wrong. :( |
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 15:27:47
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| I don't see what everyone is so disappointed about. Ched Nassad got annihalated, Menzo took quite a bit of damage as well, and Lloth became even more powerful. Dyyr, one of the most powerful drow wizards i know of, was destroyed. Eilistraee's cresent blade was destroyed. Did anyone really go into the series expecting Lloth to be killed? I know I didn't. At best I saw her getting replaced by a priestess and being essentially the same. I thought it was a great series overall and the only part that upset me at all, as I said before, is that Ryld and Pharuan had to die while Jeggred lived. I like what happened to Hallistra at the end as well. There is potential for an author to pick up some of the plot threads and write a sequel or trilogy/series about them and I would definitely be interested in reading it. |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 16:01:48
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Originally posted by Beezy
I like what happened to Hallistra at the end as well. There is potential for an author to pick up some of the plot threads and write a sequel or trilogy/series about them and I would definitely be interested in reading it.
Which is just what Lisa Smedman is scheduled to do. |
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silverwizard
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 17:56:18
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Let me try to explain some things that made me think ill of the series.
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Originally posted by Beezy
Ched Nassad got annihalated, Menzo took quite a bit of damage as well, and Lloth became even more powerful.
Menzo may have taken quite a bit of damage, but, rest assured, with house Baenre losing only Jeggred (of questionable value anyway) and Lolth even more powerful, "the more things change the more they stay the same" (sorry if I'm saying this the wrong way, I live in Greece).
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Originally posted by Beezy
Dyyr, one of the most powerful drow wizards i know of, was destroyed.
Indeed he was, he died in the hands of the untouchable (call me Gromph). I agree that Gromph is an ok character, but I didn't doubt for a minute that he was going to survive the confrontation. Even if Dyrr had the entire elven pantheon on his side, something (no matter how stupid) would have happened that would result in Gromph gaining the upper hand.
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Originally posted by Beezy
Eilistraee's cresent blade was destroyed. Did anyone really go into the series expecting Lloth to be killed? I know I didn't. At best I saw her getting replaced by a priestess and being essentially the same.
This only adds to the boredom factor. One would at least expect that Vheraun and Eilistraee would have gained at least something. It appears they are gonna be Lolth's playthings for a long while.
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Originally posted by Beezy
I thought it was a great series overall and the only part that upset me at all, as I said before, is that Ryld and Pharaun had to die while Jeggred lived.
Edit: No, after re-reading the post, I do NOT agree that it was a great series. I believe it was a bad series and that the deaths of these two characters only detracted from the (already low) quality of the series.
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Originally posted by Beezy
I like what happened to Hallistra at the end as well. There is potential for an author to pick up some of the plot threads and write a sequel or trilogy/series about them and I would definitely be interested in reading it.
If Halisstra didn't have to suffer the stupefying effects described by other contributors, I would agree. As things are, however, I don't know if I'll be interested in reading a book about Halisstra.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 19:26:44
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Originally posted by silverwizard
"the more things change the more they stay the same" (sorry if I'm saying this the wrong way, I live in Greece).
You said it just fine. One of my favorite quotes comes from a character in a WWII movie: "Nothing changes but the scenery."
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If Halisstra didn't have to suffer the stupefying effects described by other contributors, I would agree. As things are, however, I don't know if I'll be interested in reading a book about Halisstra.
Stupefy  I must remember that one. I understand your reticence regarding seeing Halisstra in a novel given her current state. However, the author of the upcoming series is Lisa Smedman. I for one thought she did a great job detailing the character in her WOTSQ novel. Thus, I'm curious to see what she plans to do with Halisstra now. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 19:38:43
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I understand your reticence regarding seeing Halisstra in a novel given her current state. However, the author of the upcoming series is Lisa Smedman. I for one thought she did a great job detailing the character in her WOTSQ novel. Thus, I'm curious to see what she plans to do with Halisstra now.
You are not only one hoping for a good treatment. A few Eilistraee fans have trust in Lisa Smedman to wrire well. Some even hope for a redemption, though I suspect that is unlikely. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 20:43:42
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Originally posted by Kentinal
You are not only one hoping for a good treatment. A few Eilistraee fans have trust in Lisa Smedman to wrire well. Some even hope for a redemption, though I suspect that is unlikely.
I'm not ruling anything. The main thing I believe I can count upon with Lisa Smedman writing this upcoming novel is that my reading experience will be enjoyable.
SB, President of the Vhaeruan/Eilistraee can be more than the Keystone Kops of the Drow Pantheon fan club. |
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Ethriel
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Posted - 03 Mar 2006 : 21:01:06
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| I have not heard this news, Ser Sirius, could you inform me? (Yes, there's a reference to your avatar, found the magic of Amok) |
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Sarephim
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 00:28:04
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Terrible series if you ask me.
Good in the beginning but near the end they just went down hill. I'm tired of seeing Lolth always get on top of the other Drow gods (granted I'm a guy and tend to take Lolth's distain of men a little personal). Vhaeruan has great possibility for exploration into his character and his followers, but no it's always about Lolth. |
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 06:54:50
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i just want to say that i heart gromph baenre "ive forgotten more ways to kill than most ever learn in their lifetime at sorcere"
I really was worried at a couple points in the series that he would die!
especially an embarrassing fate of being imprisoned for example..
btw from a gaming stand point i dont see how he got out of that anyway...
i just hope we see him do more in house baenre soon... (on a side note: i really hate how a weakling like triel claimed the throne of house baenre... it is a disgrace. in fact the entire lot of the matron's daughters was a disgrace to the name Baenre. the only one who had a real grip on the situation was gromph and i believe he will come to control the house much like the dyrr lich had, if only he can weed out potential rivals of his (good idea for him to get phauraun out of menzo!))
um also id liek to thank shadovar for writing up some stats for him in his npc stat thread
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silverwizard
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 15:15:22
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Ok, I may be a bit biased about the upcoming Halisstra trilogy. Presently, I don't think I'll enjoy reading about a character so mistreated from a series so below my expectations. My opinion may change in the future, however. I think I'll have till February 2007 to reconsider. I believe someone is gonna write a novel/series/trilogy about Vhok and Alissza (excuse the spelling... away from home, can't be bothered to look it up ). I'd be more interested in that (especially when there is a chance we might see Pharaun again).
Now, regarding Halisstra's fate... If she's gonna be redeemed, I hope there's a good story behind it, as opposed to her behaviour in the WSotSQ series:
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"Lolth, I am thy faithful servant, point me to thy enemies"
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"Ah, Lolth, are you dead? Are you gonna be dead for long?"
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"Oh, forget Lolth! Eilistraee, need any followers to recover a long lost magic blade of yours???"
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"Oh, Eilistraee, now that I have your enchanted blade capable of killing a deity such as Lolth, now that I spat on Lolth's face by slaying so many of her pet spiders and creating a temple in your name right at the heart of her home plane, and since you did not reward me when I made a remarkable show of my stupidity by deciding (and my equally stupid fellow priestesses heartily agreed) that my former battle-captive, after having gained her freedom, would willingly convert to Eilistraee simply because I said so (relinquishing her -rightful- claim to the power she sought for so long), I don't think I can follow such a weak goddess such as yourself. Nothing personal, just business, right?
Right. That's settled now. Say, oh mighty Lolth, could you simply disregard all that and assume that I have remained your faithful servant throughout and let ME become your chosen? What? No? WHAT DO YOU MEAN "LADY PENITENT" NOOOOOOOooooooooooo...."
</rant>
Now that my rant is over, and if you're still with me , I hope this won't happen again. Never. Ever.
Oh, and one more thing:
NO MORE LOLTH & BAENRE! HOW ABOUT AN ORIGINAL IDEA FOR A CHANGE? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 16:43:08
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Originally posted by silverwizard
NO MORE LOLTH & BAENRE! HOW ABOUT AN ORIGINAL IDEA FOR A CHANGE
I'm inclined to agree with this part, even though I've not yet read the books in question. It's bad enough that we can't get away from the flood of drow books, but do we always have to stick with drow from the same place? Drizzt was fine to start with, and I really like Liriel Baenre, but that's enough for me. If we must have drow, let's get drow from somewhere else! |
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 16:58:22
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the thing i like about house baenre is how powerful it is! its fun to read along with powerful characters who succeed! the reason why I am not as interested in drow from other places is because no one else is writing about them! I mean there have been snippets here and there about ched nasad, and a handful of other places... but the drow there are not as scheming and fun to read about as the drow of menzo.
what i really like about the drow is how amgical they are and how assassin-friendly they are... especially since everyone expects assasssins, it is just plain cool
btw i do think that lolth is overrated and i dont really find reading about her and her priests devotio to her that thrilling |
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silverwizard
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 17:03:03
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| I think there is a drow city which is ruled by male mages, and priestesses of Lolth are subordinate. Now, what's it called? Help please, fellow contributors! I think it's in "Drizz't Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark" (AD&D 2nd edition sourcebook - I don't follow 3/3.5E closely). Was there a novel in which this city was featured, or did they make it up just for the purpose of the aforementioned product? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 17:34:10
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but the drow there are not as scheming and fun to read about as the drow of menzo.
How can you say that? No one has written about them -- which you admit -- so that means you've not read anything about them. Nothing supports your statement.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 17:42:54
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Originally posted by silverwizard
I think there is a drow city which is ruled by male mages, and priestesses of Lolth are subordinate. Now, what's it called? Help please, fellow contributors! I think it's in "Drizz't Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark" (AD&D 2nd edition sourcebook - I don't follow 3/3.5E closely). Was there a novel in which this city was featured, or did they make it up just for the purpose of the aforementioned product?
You refer to Sshamath, the City of Dark Weavings.
In the city of Eryndlyn, there is an uneasy balance between Lolth's followers and the followers of Vhaeruan and Ghaunadaur. |
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