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Shanara
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 15:11:44
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I have a friend wanting to start a campaign around Tiamat (not really sure what kind of campaign) but he can't seem to find the information he needs such as friend/allie, foe and "goal." Can anyone tell me where he could find this information? Or does anyone know it?
I've searched through this site but couldn't really find any information, but then that's a lot to look through. 
I would appreciate any help with this.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 15:33:02
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| How current are your "official" sources? Tiamat in the Realms tends to be seen more as a part of the Untheric pantheon than as the dragon goddess of evil that opposes Bahamut. Not that she doesn't have draconic worshippers, or that she isn't trying to expand her influence. Your best bet on what Tiamat has done officially are regional descriptions of Chessenta and Unther, and anything that might talk about the Untheric Pantheon. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 16:24:52
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
How current are your "official" sources? Tiamat in the Realms tends to be seen more as a part of the Untheric pantheon than as the dragon goddess of evil that opposes Bahamut. Not that she doesn't have draconic worshippers, or that she isn't trying to expand her influence. Your best bet on what Tiamat has done officially are regional descriptions of Chessenta and Unther, and anything that might talk about the Untheric Pantheon.
For generic information, I recommend the Draconomicon [3e], and Races of the Dragon [3e]. For Realms-related information, the best source is Powers & Pantheons [2e], although you might suspect that Dragons of Faerun (due out late summer) might have some informationa s well.
I would also suggest your friend check out the recently released supermodule, "Red Hand of Doom". I won't give spoilers, but his work may be complete. ;-)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2006 : 16:56:27
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
For Realms-related information, the best source is Powers & Pantheons [2e]
I'd highly recommend this tome, as well. Her write-up in there is 4 or 5 pages long. Plus, that book is part of the trilogy of 2E deity books (the others being Faiths & Avatars, and Demihuman Deities), which are the best sources of info for the deities of the Realms. I consider them to be required resources, myself. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 01:30:10
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More non-FR-specific sources on Tiamat include the PS supplement On Hallowed Ground and the 2e Monster Mythology -- both of which I consider to be essential resources when adventuring outside the Realms.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 01:41:08
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| If your friends into plastic crack (By which I mean the D&D minis line) he'll be able to pick up a Huge Aspect of Tiamat mini the War of the Dragon Queen set coming out later this year |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 01:59:48
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| some really good and new realmslore on her ancient history etc. can be found in the Candlekeep compendium Iv. I just read it this morning and it was very interesting. she ties in to the different ages of faerun and the creator races. uh the link is in The Sage's and Wooly's signature... as well as many other places on this site. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 03:36:58
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
some really good and new realmslore on her ancient history etc. can be found in the Candlekeep compendium Iv. I just read it this morning and it was very interesting. she ties in to the different ages of faerun and the creator races. uh the link is in The Sage's and Wooly's signature... as well as many other places on this site.
Indeed. Our own Brian R James, creator of the wonderful A Grand History of the Realms timeline, wrote an excellent article about the rise of dragons on Faerūn. There is some good lore there, including lore on Tiamat.  |
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vertus
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 03:56:41
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Your friend also may want to check out the "Cult of the Dragon" 2e suplement. On pages 61 and 62 it reveals some very interesting plots, including places and NPCs of power.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 04:10:11
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Originally posted by vertus
Your friend also may want to check out the "Cult of the Dragon" 2e suplement. On pages 61 and 62 it reveals some very interesting plots, including places and NPCs of power.
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And that is a resource that is available for free on the Wizards downloads page. |
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Shanara
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 13:59:29
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Thanks everyone. This all should be great help.
Having just started getting into FR, my resources are limited but I'm working on it. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 15:07:57
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Well then, I suggest you take a good look at the link Wooly provided above -- to the Wizards download page. It had several select 2e FR resources available for free that you can download. It'll greatly expanded your FR library for sure  .
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Beowulf
Learned Scribe
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322 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 15:39:53
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You might also want to check out the campaign journal "And Dragons Shall Rule ...", and it's supplements, found at this site.
Its a little on the longside, and is bound to have alot of stuff that is of no use to you or yours, but if your DM is in the mood for some reading, Tiamat, her Cult in the West, and also Sammaster and the Cult of the Dragon figure quite prominently.
Unfortunately, most of the band died in a sidetrack adventure and we've since placed DnD on hold for a time (in favour of some superhero rpging). |
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 15:48:42
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| I'm running a solo campaign for a Kobold worshipper of Tiamat. I really haven't given much thought to what belief in Tiamat would involve, though. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 17:46:14
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| There's a tiny bit of information about that in the novel The Alabaster Staff by Edward Bolme. Although I guess you could reach the same conclusions by checking out the various "religious" sourcebooks too |
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Alaundo
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Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 18:08:56
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Originally posted by Beowulf
You might also want to check out the campaign journal "And Dragons Shall Rule ...", and it's supplements, found at this site.
Its a little on the longside, and is bound to have alot of stuff that is of no use to you or yours, but if your DM is in the mood for some reading, Tiamat, her Cult in the West, and also Sammaster and the Cult of the Dragon figure quite prominently.
Unfortunately, most of the band died in a sidetrack adventure and we've since placed DnD on hold for a time (in favour of some superhero rpging).
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Beowulf
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Feb 2006 : 06:02:03
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The timeline in the "Adventuring" section of this forum -- http://www.candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3595 -- advances a year or two further than in the link Alaundo provided. Also, I just dug out my notes and had some events planned for yet another year that never got posted anywhere. I think I'll dd them over there now.
By-the-by, thanks for the praise Alaundo! It was a very enjoyable, if not all that inspiring, campaign! |
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mute83
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 22:31:27
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| im the one who need help. im not sure i can buy the books anywhere near me (not that i would) because its for when i play NWN (yes some of hasnt convertet to wow) the info im mostly am looking for is the general stuff. friend, foe and "goals". i did DL that book. put there is a lot to go through |
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Alaundo
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Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 23:23:02
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Originally posted by Beowulf
The timeline in the "Adventuring" section of this forum -- http://www.candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3595 -- advances a year or two further than in the link Alaundo provided. Also, I just dug out my notes and had some events planned for yet another year that never got posted anywhere. I think I'll dd them over there now.
By-the-by, thanks for the praise Alaundo! It was a very enjoyable, if not all that inspiring, campaign!
Well met
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 00:15:07
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Originally posted by mute83
im the one who need help. im not sure i can buy the books anywhere near me (not that i would) because its for when i play NWN (yes some of hasnt convertet to wow) the info im mostly am looking for is the general stuff. friend, foe and "goals". i did DL that book. put there is a lot to go through
Most of the sourcebooks already mentioned should cover those details to some degree.
But since you seem unwilling to buy them, perhaps you could google Tiamat and read through some of the info posted online.
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 07:20:05
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Hmm. If all you want is friend, foe, goals, I think that much of what's written in all of those supplements can be boiled down into a few words.
Friends: Evil dragons and dragon creatures
Foes: Bahamut, Gilgeam, and basically all the other faiths in
Faerun. She really hates all other gods. Some parts of
the Cult of the Dragon are friends, others are foes.
Goals: Expand her power, subvert other religions, destroy good
dragonkind (especially metallic dragons and Bahamut
worshippers).
Locations: Unther primarily, though she has some worshippers in other
parts of the world.
That's a pretty simple boiled down version of what's in F&P, F&A, The Alabaster Staff, Cult of the Dragon, without bringing in any new information. (For a more complex look, Red Hand of Doom and the upcoming Dragons of Faerun should have more info). |
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Faramicos
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 09:07:33
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| As mentioned above, i can recommend reading "the Alabaster Staff". It gives an OK view into the worship of Tiamat and you encounter some of her followers. It isnt much, but i would certainly say thet it is a beginning. Plus it is a good book... Good luck to your friend. |
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mute83
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 20:10:15
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
Hmm. If all you want is friend, foe, goals, I think that much of what's written in all of those supplements can be boiled down into a few words.
Friends: Evil dragons and dragon creatures
Foes: Bahamut, Gilgeam, and basically all the other faiths in
Faerun. She really hates all other gods. Some parts of
the Cult of the Dragon are friends, others are foes.
Goals: Expand her power, subvert other religions, destroy good
dragonkind (especially metallic dragons and Bahamut
worshippers).
Locations: Unther primarily, though she has some worshippers in other
parts of the world.
That's a pretty simple boiled down version of what's in F&P, F&A, The Alabaster Staff, Cult of the Dragon, without bringing in any new information. (For a more complex look, Red Hand of Doom and the upcoming Dragons of Faerun should have more info).
thx. that should be able to remember |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Sep 2006 : 22:20:52
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Always interesting what a little work with the search engine can do! Was looking for exactly these informations myself - friends, foes and goals of the church of Tiamat. Since this thread dates back half a year I have to ask:
Does anyone have to add anything new with a whole bunch of new books (like PoF or DoF) being out on the shelfs? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 02:27:38
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| Oh my does Dragons of Faerun have information on this. Tiamat and Bahamut are both much more active at the moment. I don't want to ruin anything here, but suffice to say that at least the level of activity has changed, and the tactics, though Tiamat still pretty much hates the some people she always hated (i.e. everyone). |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 25 Sep 2006 : 09:10:03
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Dragons of Faerun it is than! I will take a look at those pages once I get my hands on one. Thanks KEJR. Much appreciated.
Until I do:
Any specific info in there or elsewhere about the relation Cult of the Dragon vs. Chruch of Tiamat?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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