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Faramicos
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 Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 11:19:02
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It is a known fact that the world of Ravenloft consists of fragments from other known RPG realms. For an example Lord Soth, from Krynn, who where sucked into Ravenloft due to his evil mind and given his own dominion of evil. My question to you all is this... Which realm, if any, are imported from FR? I am toying with the idea of putting a party in the middle of such an event. But i am missing the first piece of the puzzle and a describtion of the events surrounding such a thing... Any help?
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 11:29:58
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Theres several Realms tie ins to Ravensloft
There was a civili war in Cormyr just before the Time of Troubles and the guy led the bad guys ended up in Ravensloft
Jandar an Elven Vampire from the Forgotten Realms (Who took appeared in Merrydale during its vampire infestation was sent to Ravensloft and lived with Strahd for a while.
THen theres a Setting spanning pair of modules from 2ed that results in the destruction of Castle Spultzer in Amn/Tehtyr |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 11:45:49
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Originally posted by Dargoth
THen theres a Setting spanning pair of modules from 2ed that results in the destruction of Castle Spultzer in Amn/Tehtyr
And the Realms one of those modules can be found for free here. |
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 12:20:06
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Hazlan (2nd Edition:Domains of Dread pp67 3rd Edition:Ravenloft Core Rulebook pp121 ) is a domain ruled by a Red Wizard of Thay (Hazlik) is one domain that has been pulled into Ravenloft.
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
Denmark
468 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 13:23:33
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| Precisely what i need. A realm drawn to Ravenloft from FR. Knew about Jandar but i need a complete domain... Hazlan is the answer i am looking for. Any other interesting tie ins to Ravenloft is welcomed. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 13:38:45
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Here are all the official ties between the Realms and Ravenloft -- it's something I wrote for the official RL FAQ at the Fraternity of Shadows website:-
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From: Forgotten Realms
Draga Saltbitter – was a pirate in the Sword Coast
Chardath Spulzeeer – from area south of Waterdeep (see: Castle Spulzeeer)
Gondegal – conqueror of Arabel and Knight of the Shadows.
Harkon Lukas – grew up in Cormyr, now in Kartakass
Hazlik – Red Wizard from Thay
Jander Sunstar
Salizarr the Meazel – lived under Cormyr’s catacombs now in Necropolis
Nova Vassa – from Vaasa and Hordelands
Von Kharkov – Lord of Valachan
From: Kara-Tur (Forgotten Realms)
Domain of I'Cath
Jahed of the Stalkers (see: MCII)
Mayonaka (see: MCII)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 17:15:41
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| Other than Castle Spulzeer, were any areas actually pulled from the Realms, or did the Dark Powers form "duplicates" for the Dark Lords? It's been a while since I looked at my RL stuff, and most of what I have is old 2E stuff -- and not a lot of that. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 17:25:56
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In 2e, the actual region was almost always pulled from the particular Material Plane with a nasty mist-like-void occupying the area where the region previously resided. There were however also instances of duplicate realms being crafted by the Dark Powers (none from FR though)... the decision itself was largely at the whim of the DPs themselves.
Of course, in 3e RL... the fact that parts of Ravenloft were taken from other settings is largely presented as a "myth" in most books... but each myth has subtle facts that, provided you know enough about the original setting the area was removed from, you can pretty much guess where it originated.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 18:00:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
In 2e, the actual region was almost always pulled from the particular Material Plane with a nasty mist-like-void occupying the area where the region previously resided. There were however also instances of duplicate realms being crafted by the Dark Powers (none from FR though)... the decision itself was largely at the whim of the DPs themselves.
So, for Harkon Lukas, did he get a "pre-made" domain, then? |
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Vvornth
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Feb 2006 : 23:46:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
In 2e, the actual region was almost always pulled from the particular Material Plane with a nasty mist-like-void occupying the area where the region previously resided. There were however also instances of duplicate realms being crafted by the Dark Powers (none from FR though)... the decision itself was largely at the whim of the DPs themselves.
So, for Harkon Lukas, did he get a "pre-made" domain, then?
Yes, he actually ventured into the domain of Strahd before he was granted his own domain by the dark powers. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 07 Feb 2006 : 00:37:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
In 2e, the actual region was almost always pulled from the particular Material Plane with a nasty mist-like-void occupying the area where the region previously resided. There were however also instances of duplicate realms being crafted by the Dark Powers (none from FR though)... the decision itself was largely at the whim of the DPs themselves.
So, for Harkon Lukas, did he get a "pre-made" domain, then?
Yes, he actually ventured into the domain of Strahd before he was granted his own domain by the dark powers.
Essentially, that is correct. Only Lukas was taken from Cormyr and placed directly into Barovia. After his meeting with the vampire lord... Harkon fled into the Mists. When he emerged again, he was the Dark Lord of Kartakass.
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Feb 2006 : 15:02:26
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| But which domain did Castle Spulzeer end up in? Trying to piece together enough knowledge to produce a cool dual-setting adventure... |
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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Feb 2006 : 16:40:50
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Originally posted by Faramicos
But which domain did Castle Spulzeer end up in? Trying to piece together enough knowledge to produce a cool dual-setting adventure...
It ended up in a unique domain called Aggarath.
The reason it is a unique domain is because, in actuality, the domain is a ruby gemstone just roughly an inch across, but appears as much larger once entered. We know that Aggarath was basically an empty void before the coming of Chardath... upon which it was transformed into his personal domain.
The ruby itself was altered by Chardath, and his sister's arrival... so much so, that it actually divided into sections called Facets, each of which reflect aspects of Chardath's peronality and his twisted memories.
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Feb 2006 : 18:20:54
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| AAARGHHHHHH... Sounds complicated. Think i will send the castle to another location. Something less confusing. But thanks for the explanation. Nice with a bit of the more unusual realms lore. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 00:33:35
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Not really. If you have the modules themselves... it's pretty much all covered inside.
When I ran the adventures though... I made Aggarath a floating domain in RL... since there were already detached domains floating through the Mists. I did this... because I wanted to create future adventures concentrating on Chardath... and possibly having him go up against another Dark Lord. Giving him a floating domain makes this a lot easier...
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Faramicos
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Posted - 08 Feb 2006 : 18:35:15
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| Sounds like a good idea. Could work as a link to future RL campaigns. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 00:26:49
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Aye.
The only problem with it is exactly "when" in the history of RL that you place it. With cataclysmic events like the Great Upheavel and Grand Conjuntion altering so much of the Domain of Dread... Aggarath, if it's placed before either event, will likely experience a change as well.
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Feb 2006 : 11:26:18
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| Sure... But that is more of an opportunity than a problem in my eyes. It is an opportunity to throw some huge events at the players. A good spice to spif up the running campaign. |
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Iliphar1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Feb 2006 : 16:39:01
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you should always keep in mind, that entering ravenloft is relatively easy, leaving an enirely different matter. The demiplane of horror is like a superprison, where escape is almost impossible - especially for Dark Lords, but also for everybody else.
I played Castle Spulzeer, but abandoned the idea of bringing my PCs into the mists of Ravenloft, as on the one hand I could never allow them an easy escape and on the other hand didn't want to change my campaign. |
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Feb 2006 : 19:09:33
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| I have the same problem... I want to play a few sessions in Ravenloft, but not for good. One of my ideas is that the plane expells them as they werent meant to be there... Just a thought as they are accidentaly trapped in the plane of horror. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Feb 2006 : 20:29:44
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| Just how do you get out of the place, anyway? A wish spell? |
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Iliphar1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Feb 2006 : 23:38:34
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ust how do you get out of the place, anyway? A wish spell?
nope, since the wish is (according to Black Box) granted by the DP themselves, I'd rather doubt, they would let somebody out that easily!
There are some ways out, but I play RL for 8 years by now, but haven't found one. There are supposed to be 2 portals. The book "Shadowborn" describes one of these portals.
Another possibility would be to kill a Dark Lord and when the Domain dissolves it would be possible to Planeshift out of RL, since then (and only then!) the boarders of RL would be weakend. Good luck in killing a Darklord...
I came up with another idea, but don't know yet, if it works. My 13th level Planewalker mage travelled into the nightmare lands and tries to get to the wall of colours (the boarder of RL, behind it begins the Boarder Etheral) From there I will summon Drigor (Shator Ghereleth) to help me find a way to cross the barrier. Let's see if my Character succeeds (and finally get's out of RL)
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 12:25:05
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| All those possible solutions is part of my problem. Because they are all theoretical. But in pracsis, how possible is it for a group to kill a lord or locate one of two hidden portals. It is a problem i havent solved yet. But with your help i hope it will be possible. |
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Iliphar1
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 13:16:18
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All those possible solutions is part of my problem. Because they are all theoretical. But in pracsis, how possible is it for a group to kill a lord or locate one of two hidden portals.
very very unlikely! A Dark Lord has a lot of Dark Powers, and most Dark Lords of the Core are only to be permamently killed with artifacts (amulett of Ravenkind may help with Strahd!) The DP won't let go their toys easily. Harkon Lukas, Lord Soth, and many more simpy reform after being killed in combat.
The only possibility might be a Dark Lord from the Islands of terror, Malingo f.e. is rather weak and could be killed by a medium level party.
The portals are guarded by (at least according to the rumors I've heard in-game) extremely powerful ...somethings. The Fraternity of Shadows (a very powerful mage cabale) was terribly afraid of those guardians and didn't succeed in locating the portals, so I suppose they must be really well hidden.
All in all, I'd say it should be possible, but to do so, it should be at least a very epic quest.
What I would suggest to start with is contacting the Weathermays to start reading Van Richten's books. Also the library of Azalin could be helpful, as would be those of the Fraternity of Shadows. Both of them would not allow easy entrance, and even the Weathermays could ask for a favour.
Then I would recommend that the PC would try to organise an expedition to locate the portals, but in that case many many NPCs would be very interested in the outcome of this expedition |
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