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Hoondatha
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 Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 22:13:04
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Seeing the Eberron races thread one door down, I thought I'd get some advice on adapting a different product to the FR: namely Mongoose's Ships of the Elves.
I picked up a copy a few days ago, and immidiately started liking what I saw. I haven't seen much on Evermeet's navy since, well, Elves of Evermeet, and there are only four ships listed there.
So, I wanted to ask if anyone had adapted some or all of Ships of the Elves for use with Evermeet's Navy? For me, elemental rams were right out, but most of the rest seemed pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about historical ships and shipbuilding to judge technology levels. Where are the Realms? Where are the humans in relation to the elves? What's the general opinion on all of this?
(Oh, and this is assuming the navy before it got smashed in Evermeet: Island of Elves.)
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Kentinal
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 23:06:40
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| Well it does seem likely that Evermeet would use captured ships as well as posible buying other ships for tramsport. |
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warlockco
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 16:17:20
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| The Spelljammer Navy, known as the Elvish Imperial Fleet is headquartered on Evermeet and includes a wide variety of fascinating 'semi-organic' ships, the most famous being the elven Man-o-War. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 16:57:23
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The Spelljammer Navy, known as the Elvish Imperial Fleet is headquartered on Evermeet and includes a wide variety of fascinating 'semi-organic' ships, the most famous being the elven Man-o-War.
Not quite... The Elven Imperial Fleet has facilities on Evermeet, but is not headquartered there. The actual headquarters of the Fleet is located somewhere in space. It's a ring of armadas, linked together, called Lionheart. It is periodically moved to avoid elven enemies.
The outpost on Evermeet is more like an embassy/military outpost. It's there to maintain relations with the groundling elves, and maybe render assistance if necessary.
However, Evermeet does have a few Men-O-War of its own. I've not seen any reference to them actually leaving the atmosphere, so I think they keep them close to home, to act as additional defenses. They may not even have proper spelljamming helms -- at least, not ones capable of interstellar travel. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 16:59:26
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Well, actually, the Imperial Fleet is something completely separate from Evermeet. It's an entity from the Spelljammer setting, and independent of any land-based elven nations. It's actually headquartered out of a space station called Lionheart, somewhere in Wildspace. What the Fleet did was loan several Men-o-War to Evermeet (or maybe helped construct them, it's been a while since I read Evermeet Island of Elves). Anyway, the Fleet generally doesn't get involved with the affairs of elven nations on the ground. Plus, those ships were destroyed by a flight of dragons, and I'm not sure if more were loaned/built.
For clarification, I'm trying to figure out whether or not I want to use the "elven ships" presented in Ships of the Elves to add to Evermeet's ocean-based navy, since at the present it only has four ship designs. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 17:12:46
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"Starwings are full capible of interplanetary flight, but are generally kept close to home and their real mission - the defense of Evemeet."
There are/were 6 of them |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Arivia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 19:43:29
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Well, actually, the Imperial Fleet is something completely separate from Evermeet. It's an entity from the Spelljammer setting, and independent of any land-based elven nations. It's actually headquartered out of a space station called Lionheart, somewhere in Wildspace. What the Fleet did was loan several Men-o-War to Evermeet (or maybe helped construct them, it's been a while since I read Evermeet Island of Elves). Anyway, the Fleet generally doesn't get involved with the affairs of elven nations on the ground. Plus, those ships were destroyed by a flight of dragons, and I'm not sure if more were loaned/built.
For clarification, I'm trying to figure out whether or not I want to use the "elven ships" presented in Ships of the Elves to add to Evermeet's ocean-based navy, since at the present it only has four ship designs.
Well, a good time to try out new things is when rebuilding from scratch-I'd say go for it. On a related note, what about the elf wingships from Stormwrack? |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 23:08:01
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Hmm, haven't gotten Stormwrack yet (probably should). I'll take a look at it.
On a related note, does Evermeet (or any other elven realm, for that matter) have a merchant fleet? |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 23:43:22
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Yes there clearly is a civilian fleet, for fishing at least. There clearly is transport for elves that sought the retreat as well. A trade fleet would appear to be unlikely as Evermeet is in general not to be known about (so if you mean a merchant fleet to be a trading fleet, I would say no or very small, or claim to come from someplace else).
Elven lands land bound to ships of course would not have a merchant fleet of any kind at all.
I do know however Evermeet in 2nd Edition did have fishing fleet, though not how large and ships that provided transport, even once for a Drow (The transport ship however might have been milatary and not for fee.) |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 01:09:06
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Originally posted by Kentinal
I do know however Evermeet in 2nd Edition did have fishing fleet, though not how large and ships that provided transport, even once for a Drow (The transport ship however might have been milatary and not for fee.)
That was a privately-owned ship, held by a human elf-friend, Curreigh (sp?) Macumail. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 01:23:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kentinal
I do know however Evermeet in 2nd Edition did have fishing fleet, though not how large and ships that provided transport, even once for a Drow (The transport ship however might have been milatary and not for fee.)
That was a privately-owned ship, held by a human elf-friend, Curreigh (sp?) Macumail.
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"Nimlith
This settlement of about 1,000 is inhabited primarily by Silver elves. Nimlith is a fishing community with a small number of boats that work the west of Evermeet. The whitefish, hake, and oceaanic salmon brought in by the fisher folk are transported and comsumed throughout the island." page 48
Oh and his ship was not a fishing ship from all accounts, "Captain Carreigh Macumail to Lord Khelben Arunsun of Blackstaff Keep" at least at time he wrote his letter. Marumail was a free booter as well in his life. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 02:06:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The Spelljammer Navy, known as the Elvish Imperial Fleet is headquartered on Evermeet and includes a wide variety of fascinating 'semi-organic' ships, the most famous being the elven Man-o-War.
Not quite... The Elven Imperial Fleet has facilities on Evermeet, but is not headquartered there.
It's actually an embassy -- the center of all IEN activity in Evermeet.
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The actual headquarters of the Fleet is located somewhere in space. It's a ring of armadas, linked together, called Lionheart. It is periodically moved to avoid elven enemies.
Aye... Lionheart. It's where the Council of Admirals meet to discuss IEN operations.
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The outpost on Evermeet is more like an embassy/military outpost. It's there to maintain relations with the groundling elves, and maybe render assistance if necessary.
As I said above... and the Adventures in Space boxed set confirms this.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 02:14:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kentinal
I do know however Evermeet in 2nd Edition did have fishing fleet, though not how large and ships that provided transport, even once for a Drow (The transport ship however might have been milatary and not for fee.)
That was a privately-owned ship, held by a human elf-friend, Curreigh (sp?) Macumail.
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"Nimlith
This settlement of about 1,000 is inhabited primarily by Silver elves. Nimlith is a fishing community with a small number of boats that work the west of Evermeet. The whitefish, hake, and oceaanic salmon brought in by the fisher folk are transported and comsumed throughout the island." page 48
Oh and his ship was not a fishing ship from all accounts, "Captain Carreigh Macumail to Lord Khelben Arunsun of Blackstaff Keep" at least at time he wrote his letter. Marumail was a free booter as well in his life.
Huh? I was just saying that the ship used to transport a drow to and from the island was not a Evermeet-owned ship... |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 02:45:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Huh? I was just saying that the ship used to transport a drow to and from the island was not a Evermeet-owned ship...
Oh that, the Drow was being tranfered by a swan-ship, that was attacked by Jaq Meadu, Macumail was three days out from from Corwell Town before the Drow was taken on board his ship. I fear the swan-ship was badly damaged but not sure if it actual sunk, the Elven tokens might have allowed the ship to be brought home to port for repairs.
Edit: I think I just understood the problem. Macumail was indeed carring an elf in search of Evermeet, however that was a Green elf druidess, not a Drow. Her name is/was Aerilaya. Karsel'lyn Lylyl-Lytherraias was rescured from an Elven transport. There is no indication of any fee being paid by either elf.
IAE the Elven ship was providing the Drow the transport, the human completed the trip as a rescue ship. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Edited by - Kentinal on 15 Jan 2006 03:21:24 |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 03:18:28
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Ah, my bad. I stand corrected.  |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 15 Jan 2006 03:18:46 |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 03:43:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ah, my bad. I stand corrected.
I was a bit surprised to be called wrong on Evermeet lore, but understad that no memory is perfect. The best I could come up with for a merchant fleet was the small number of seagoing boats (which might qualify as a fleet of sorts for fishing). There clearly is not a trading fleet, the elves retreated and would shun most contact as much as posible. The Swan-ship clearly could have been one of the milatary fleet, after all it was carring a Drow. *wink* |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 06:42:58
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| Thanks all for the info. I figured the chances of a trading fleet out of Evermeet was fairly slim, but figured I'd ask. And since all the other elven nations are land-bound, they obviously wouldn't have ships. Oh well. I wonder how far back in time you have to go to find an elven naval power (that's not Evermeet). At least I've got several other designs for elven warships in addition to the swan ship. |
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