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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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 Posted - 21 Feb 2006 : 16:00:10
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I’m going to tell a little tale largely without names, for reasons that will become obvious.
Group of fans want to write a NWN mod and have it “approved.” They write it, submit it, and word comes back (from the WotC scrutineer): “not sufficiently Realmsian enough.”
Fans dismayed, privately disagree with judgement, but want to try again. At a convention Ed Greenwood is attending, they privately take their idea to Ed, who sits down with them for a couple of hours and, detail by detail, shows them how to root it in the Realms and make it “quintessentially Realmsian,” with plot and play elements that fit the Realms and no other setting. Fans delighted, rework and resubmit.
WotC enthusiastically approves, and hands it on to the software company, who in very impolite language labels it “not Realmsian,” and rejects it.
When the fan authors protest that they lore-consulted with Ed, the software rep (I won’t name him, but he’s been named already in this thread) e-mails back: “Who?” with a stick-tongue-out smiley.
So I think Faraer’s “attitude” point stands. If I was working on a Disney project and deliberately and pointedly went out of my way to publicly diss Walt Disney himself, I’d expect to hear from the Disney lawyers, not just lose the project.
And said software company DID lose the project. Interestingly, the company staff includes some longtime Realms fans who rushed to apologize to Ed about it (he was more amused than anything else, and hadn’t demanded any apologies), and e-mailed him about their own anger over confronting said rep over his damaging behaviour (not over his views or attitude, but publicly expressing it, as bad PR), and his “obscenity-off” response to THEM.
So I, for one, am glad NWN has moved on, into more reasonable hands. It is to be hoped that brighter releases and mods await us all.
love,
THO
P.S. Disclaimer: I am not one of the “fans” I refer to here, and neither Ed nor I knew these fans before they approached Ed at that convention, or had anything to do with presenting that fan mod to anyone.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 22 Feb 2006 : 01:49:06
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| It will be interesting to see if NWN2 is more story driven then NWN1. The orgional felt rather flat |
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Feb 2006 : 23:30:57
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
When the fan authors protest that they lore-consulted with Ed, the software rep (I won’t name him, but he’s been named already in this thread) e-mails back: “Who?” with a stick-tongue-out smiley.
So I think Faraer’s “attitude” point stands. If I was working on a Disney project and deliberately and pointedly went out of my way to publicly diss Walt Disney himself, I’d expect to hear from the Disney lawyers, not just lose the project.
And said software company DID lose the project. Interestingly, the company staff includes some longtime Realms fans who rushed to apologize to Ed about it (he was more amused than anything else, and hadn’t demanded any apologies), and e-mailed him about their own anger over confronting said rep over his damaging behaviour (not over his views or attitude, but publicly expressing it, as bad PR), and his “obscenity-off” response to THEM.
Ouch! That was very unprofessional. The thing is, when you are talking to a company representive, you expect them to act in a polite, professional manner. I know that the customer isn't always right, but that's not a reason to be sarcastic and disrespectful towards them. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 00:12:45
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Here is a NWN2 teaser trailer: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O2HIH6JZ
Quality very sucky, but hey, it wasn't meant to be released to the public. It's a .mov file, so you'll need either Quicktime or Quicktime alternative to play it. Mostly, nothing we haven't seen before in screenshots, though you get the added benefit of seeing a few things animated -- something that's either a wyvern or a dragon, an umber hulk, an illithid, and burning buildings. |
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Blackwill
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 05:09:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
It will be interesting to see if NWN2 is more story driven then NWN1. The orgional felt rather flat
Many of the team working at Obsidian have worked for Black Isle, producing BG series and IWD series. Like most people, I loved BG2 mostly due to the high quality of story driven material in the game. I've red that Obsidian aims to also do so with NWN2. For example: good and evil can each choose their path.
Mainly I disliked the story in NWN myself. It was low on backbone and heavy on hack&slash. That's why I'm still not really buying the game for the single-player, but rather for the multi-player and the toolset. |
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 05:24:38
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| Indeed, it seemed, at least with the first storyline for NWN, that even the 'storyline' exp was really picked up by killing large numbers of things. It really made my first experence with it annoying, since I wanted to play a priestess of Eldath.... |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 11:11:02
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Originally posted by Blackwill
Many of the team working at Obsidian have worked for Black Isle, producing BG series and IWD series.
Erm, Bioware did much of the BG series. IWD's not strong on story at all. Just saying. (If you want to bring up Black Isle, why not bring up Planescape: Torment?)
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I've red that Obsidian aims to also do so with NWN2.
Once upon a time, in an interview, Bioware said that you can expect something the calibre of BG2 in the NWN official campaigns.
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For example: good and evil can each choose their path.
Well durr, you can do that in NWN OCs, too. |
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Blackwill
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 12:15:09
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Thanks for the very constructive post there Wintefox.
Again, I don't recommend buying it for the Single Player only. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 19:42:18
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| I can't wait for NWN 2 and hope also that it will be realms lore accurate. Shadow King is a pretty stupid name for the main villain (only because there's too many shadow this or that and king this or that, too generic). Ah well. Multiplayer :) |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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silvermage
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 02:53:23
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Had anyone visited the NWN 2 website, it had been renewed after a long time already and quite nice to look at. Might as well take a look at it.
http://www.atari.com/nwn2/ |
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Lucius
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 21:53:59
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Guessing it's too late to start a petition for a more Realmsian game than the last, if it's released in Summer 2006.  |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 07:01:47
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| I haven't been reading the news for a while, can someone tell when is it released exactly? |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 07:13:26
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| I just visited the new sites, looks amazing:D |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 07:23:52
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Originally posted by ode904
I haven't been reading the news for a while, can someone tell when is it released exactly?
Third Quarter |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 01:44:47
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| Just checked the site, but still not very informative as the information provided is fairly vague and other than the nice screenshots and the latest troll monster of the week. It would had been nice if the site can provide information on any new playable classes and what is the primary mission of the whole game. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 12:32:16
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by ode904
I haven't been reading the news for a while, can someone tell when is it released exactly?
Third Quarter
To be more specfic September
http://pc.ign.com/articles/701/701602p1.html
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 13:06:53
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Check out the map!
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/674/674385/img_3521252.html
It certainly beats the poster you got with the original NWN, doesn't it? 
Right...Who wants to buy me a new computer so I can play the game? |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 14:07:04
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Hmmm is it me or there is a problem with the scale of the map ?
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 15:35:02
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The cities are a bit enlarged yes, and the area between Neverwinter and Luskan is pretty squashed indeed. I don't think it's meant to be according to scale as much as show that "if you're in Neverwinter you have to go north along the coast to get to Luskan," and so on.
Oh, and the Crags look a mite high, don't they? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11995 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 16:43:37
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>>Given that they were more excited about incorporating Warlocks (a class that, while not >>incompatible, isn't officially recognized in the Realms)
Awww, man, say it ain't so. I hate this class (strictly based on the dmg ramp-up it has). Also, while I think pact magic is interesting (and that's kind of what a warlock is), I don't want to see the realms become littered with people drawing their power from cult beings. Having one of these as an NPC is one thing. At least an archer may get say 5 attacks a round with strength bonus, and maybe even sneak attack/acid/frost/holy dmg etc....., but his attacks aren't ranged touch and if you break his bow he's disarmed. I know there's arguments for the other side (they don't wear armor, or if they do they suffer arcane spell failure chance), but I think they just went a tidbit overboard with the eldritch blast dmg. |
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TymoraChosen
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 02:49:56
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Originally posted by Kajehase
The cities are a bit enlarged yes, and the area between Neverwinter and Luskan is pretty squashed indeed. I don't think it's meant to be according to scale as much as show that "if you're in Neverwinter you have to go north along the coast to get to Luskan," and so on.
Oh, and the Crags look a mite high, don't they?
Besides the squishness, high mountains, I think there is black smoke from one of the mountain peaks, might be a volcano and so near to the cities. Expect flaming artillery when playing the game. |
May tymora's blessings be heaped on all |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 02:56:46
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| Is anyone planning on running a NWN2 campaign? |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
Mel Brooks |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 05:36:11
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Originally posted by TymoraChosen
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Originally posted by Kajehase
The cities are a bit enlarged yes, and the area between Neverwinter and Luskan is pretty squashed indeed. I don't think it's meant to be according to scale as much as show that "if you're in Neverwinter you have to go north along the coast to get to Luskan," and so on.
Oh, and the Crags look a mite high, don't they?
Besides the squishness, high mountains, I think there is black smoke from one of the mountain peaks, might be a volcano and so near to the cities. Expect flaming artillery when playing the game.
Well, that volcano appears on the 3rd edition map of the Realms as well. Plenty of fire elementals living down there. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2006 : 05:47:24
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Yeah, large cities, missing space between Neverwinter and Luskan and the Crags are too high, Mere of the dead men too small? Neverwinter river too wide ? 
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 06:03:30
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| An NWN2 creature of the week can be found on Neverwinter Vault at the moment. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Mordakay of Thay
Acolyte
Romania
33 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2006 : 21:57:56
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| A bit enlarged.Damn,Luskan is bigger than Neverwinter,and aren't the crags suposed to be hills.:/ those are pure mountains to me...The heck is going on here? |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 00:35:59
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by TymoraChosen
Besides the squishness, high mountains, I think there is black smoke from one of the mountain peaks, might be a volcano and so near to the cities. Expect flaming artillery when playing the game.
Well, that volcano appears on the 3rd edition map of the Realms as well. Plenty of fire elementals living down there.
Mount Hotenow, yeah it's mentioned a few times in 2nd ed products. Given the parallels between The North and Vancouver/Washington, it fits in pretty well. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 02:51:48
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Originally posted by BlackAce
Mount Hotenow, yeah it's mentioned a few times in 2nd ed products. Given the parallels between The North and Vancouver/Washington, it fits in pretty well.
Mount Hotenow? What, did someone drive by a Krispy Kreme before naming that one?
BTW, I like your sig... Except for the fact that Cormyr is better than Sembia.
Besides, IMO, Sembia would likely be more like a cross between the Lyran Alliance and the Free Worlds League. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 03:02:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
BTW, I like your sig... Except for the fact that Cormyr is better than Sembia.
And thus the CapCon will always be better than the FedSuns .
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Besides, IMO, Sembia would likely be more like a cross between the Lyran Alliance and the Free Worlds League.
Hehe... I mentioned that a LA/FWL hybrid would resemble Sembia on the CBT boards... only that Sembia doesn't suffer from a non-existence government structure as does the FWL .
And I'm putting my vote forth for the Confederated Suns! Glory to the Chancellor-Prince! 
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