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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 16 May 2012 : 07:11:51
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Originally posted by twyoung1960
So how does that go with The Seven Swords of Wayland?
What do the Seven Swords of Wayland have to do with the Realms?
-- George Krashos
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1607 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 11:28:03
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| I'm also curious about this question... |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 12:36:47
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 14:12:51
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Seven Swords of Wayland
The question still remains of how these swords are relevant to this discussion, or to the Realms in general.
I could see discussing using these swords in the Realms, but the way it was brought up, it seemed as if the poster was drawing a connection between these blades and the pyramids under Ascore. And this is puzzling to us. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 17:13:51
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I had never heard of them until this thread.
Google is my friend. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 17:57:01
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I had never heard of them until this thread.
Google is my friend.
Ditto, on both counts. 
I work in IT, and sometimes, when confronted with a tricky issue, I'll tell my customer that I am "consulting my friend Google." |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 00:07:02
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I had never heard of them until this thread.
Thats a loss for you then - Robin of Sherwood is excellent, a nice mix of mysticism, swordplay, medieval history, folklore and general running around the forest swinging swords! (Michael Praed was a much better Robin than Jason Connery was). Its well worth trying to find them on DVD if you get a chance.
more on Waylund the smith here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_the_Smith
Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2012 : 03:27:04
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When I first saw "Wayland" I thought of the Thrawn series in STAR WARS.
Yeah it looks like a neat show. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1607 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2015 : 04:44:53
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| Any news on this topic? |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6688 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2015 : 05:42:45
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What news are you after Barastir?
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2015 : 06:05:45
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Ummmmm...
I just pictured River Song appearing in my room and wagging her finger at me, "Spoilers!"
The lore for those pyramids has been 'hiding in plain sight' all along... you just need an epic guide to point the way.  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 04 Jan 2015 : 10:04:35
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Originally posted by Markustay
Ummmmm...
I just pictured River Song appearing in my room and wagging her finger at me, "Spoilers!"
The lore for those pyramids has been 'hiding in plain sight' all along... you just need an epic guide to point the way.
No, there is another ...
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 04 Jan 2015 : 18:07:41
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| Though not tied directly to the pyramids, Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue p.108 does describe a region of the Underdark not far beneath the ruins of Ascore called the Mhaurlok Expanse. It's a region where powerful earth nodes and ancient ley lines intersect. Whomever or whatever constructed the pyramids of Ascore likely utilized this congruence for some unknown purpose. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2015 : 14:03:28
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Actually, I think I've used that line in another post, regarding 'future potential FR lore', and I think that may be what Krash was referencing.
And if not, now I have a picture in my head of the scrappy little Doctor (when he became a shrunken, wizened 'gnome' thanks to The Master) arguing with Yoda. - "It a timey-wimey thing!", "An idiot, I think you are".
Hmmmm... The Silence as Force-users... NAAAAHHHHHH. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 05 Jan 2015 : 23:48:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
(...) It's a region where powerful earth nodes and ancient ley lines intersect. (...)
What are "ley lines", or would it be "fey lines"? |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36965 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2015 : 23:58:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
(...) It's a region where powerful earth nodes and ancient ley lines intersect. (...)
What are "ley lines", or would it be "fey lines"?
Ley lines is correct.
Short version: Lines of magical energy connecting various geographical points. Commonly, it's believed that if a lot of ley lines converge in an area, there is a dramatical increase in magical energy in that area. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 06 Jan 2015 00:00:55 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Jan 2015 : 02:04:29
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Originally posted by Markustay
Hmmmm... The Silence as Force-users... NAAAAHHHHHH.
That's a really scary prospect, Markus. And one that I'd be keen to tinker with, actually, should I ever run a SW/DW merged campaign.
Just think of it... The Sith Lords CRPG's Darth Nihilus as a Silent. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 06 Jan 2015 : 05:28:59
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Well, given the end of that story-arc, they were neither very good or very bad - just trying to maintain the 'status-quo'. More like the 'grey Jedi' then a true Jedi or Sith.
Still, I like them as villains - they are pretty epic. How the heck do you fight something you can't remember? I wonder if their ability would work on an illithid? (or an Ood, for that matter).
Anyhow, it may seem I am rambling again, but the direction I've taken - scify and aliens - isn't all that far off the mark. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 11:15:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ley lines is correct.
(...)
Thank you very much, Wooly!  Limited English, you know... |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 15:45:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ley lines is correct.
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Thank you very much, Wooly! Limited English, you know...
Understood. Ley lines have not gotten much mention in prior Realmslore, and they're not the most universal concept... So I figured it was a good idea to give that link.
I myself had never heard of ley lines until they were an important plot point in a Shadowrun novel I read in the early 90's. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 18:48:21
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Leylines was something I had to look-into way back in the 70's, when I was working on the 'Faerie' supplement for C&S. Then the company moved, and all my research went unused (I was still in HS, so I certainly couldn't move out west with FGU).
I've always found the RW concept fascinating (homes have even had to have their corners 'shaved off' for being across one), but I haven't really found any canon evidence of them in the Realms. If they would exist anywhere, it would be on Toril, but we've seen nothing concrete.
EDIT: And I would imagine that they would be part of the Weave, as well. Could be the Leylines are the 'major strands' of the magical web, anchoring it in place (just theorizing at this point). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Jan 2015 : 22:00:37
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Originally posted by Markustay
Leylines was something I had to look-into way back in the 70's, when I was working on the 'Faerie' supplement for C&S. Then the company moved, and all my research went unused (I was still in HS, so I certainly couldn't move out west with FGU).
I've always found the RW concept fascinating (homes have even had to have their corners 'shaved off' for being across one), but I haven't really found any canon evidence of them in the Realms. If they would exist anywhere, it would be on Toril, but we've seen nothing concrete.
EDIT: And I would imagine that they would be part of the Weave, as well. Could be the Leylines are the 'major strands' of the magical web, anchoring it in place (just theorizing at this point).
Yeah, I don't recall published references to them, but I found a quote from the Hooded One saying they were in Ed's original Realms. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6688 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2015 : 05:37:26
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One day I might give you my take on the pyramids of Ascore.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6688 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2015 : 12:51:28
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No can do just yet. It's not been ruled out of the mix. Yet.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Lhynard
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2017 : 18:15:42
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
*put my mathematics degree to use*
The difficulty in a five-sided polygon is in figuring out how to create it with a compass (the one that draws circles, not the one that points north). It's one of those mathematical conundrums that, although you can create almost any of the basic degrees using a compass, the 72 degree needed to create a five-sided polygon is impossible* to do with a compass.
So, the question then becomes how difficult is it to express architecturally in the plans to build one? A four-sided pyramid, therefore, becomes MUCH more easier to design and build since 90 degrees is easy to create.
Of course, all this gets tossed out the window once you start using magic and it's "reality-is-just-a-guidline" rules-breaking.
*impossible, of course is defined as 'hasn't been done yet', of course.
Actually, the ancients solved how to draw a perfect pentagon with a compass and straightedge way back when; it is by no means impossible to do! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon#Construction_of_a_regular_pentagon)
I know that it has been years since this post; my main reason was to bump this thread, not to nitpick you. No offense intended! |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 May 2017 : 15:33:06
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Originally posted by LhynardI know that it has been years since this post; my main reason was to bump this thread, not to nitpick you. No offense intended!
I'm glad you bumped it. I was thinking about this post the other day when I discovered that I had fortunately saved George Krashos's explanation for the site which he posted at Ed's new site at some point and then it was erased.
For me, that's a canon answer to something I posted quite a while ago! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 26 May 2017 : 01:49:44
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Well, it's not really canon and much of the credit for the explanation goes to Eric Boyd also, whose own version of the tale of Jergal for another project spawned mine. I don't usually like dabbling in matters "godly" as they usualy funnel out into a vast expanse of supposition and conjecture, but this one seemed "neat" in relative terms.
Back to work on something a little more mundane for the Realms.
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Gary Dallison
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Pyramids under Ascore
