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Just
Acolyte
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 Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 18:04:07
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Fellow players and writers I would very much beg your help on this matter.
I'm running a campaign in Cormyr, and I would be interested in particular events.
The first question would be about Tilverton. The protectorate estate in northern Cormyr. What really happened there in 1372? I know it was a major catastrophe. Like somone unleashed one of those Epic level spells on the town. But the efects seem so massive that one would think it was a very powerfull artifact or the intervention of a god?
And it's magical effects. I know that some powerfull undead reside in the interior of the sphere(Is it a Sphere?) and that people going in are never seen again? But could someone describe it's total effects. And who is behind it, is it the Zhentarim that due to pressure from the Shade's were forced into a major spellbattle in Tilverton, were it the shades, the Phaerim???
Iknow I could make all this information up, but the reason why I am so fond of the realms it's because, I like the history behind it created by it's developers. I'd like very much to keep it that way.
My campaign will be based in the edge of northern Cormyr. The hazardous Stonelands bordering the Anauroch.
Also I've read that the Shades might be interested in conquering Cormyr. Do you think it would be a clever plot to face my characters to the powerfull princes of the flying city?
Also the second question(Third or fourth??! ),I know what happened to the king of Cormyr, But what happened to Vangerdahast, why did he leave Cormyr in the hands of Caladnei. Is he up to something. Can I use him in my campaign or is he faraway?? Also I would ask if someone could help me with Laspeera's stats and some of the other most reputed Warwizards(Who still remain after the horde wars and other major events?)? If any of this information is spoiler, perhaps you could send me the info via private message?
Thanks very much for your answers and time in advance?
Just the Qindahearted
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 18:53:59
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| Are you planning on reading the Return of the Archwizards Trilogy or Elminster's Daughter? I can answer some of your questions, but I don't want to ruin anything for you if you are planning on reading these. |
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Just
Acolyte
Portugal
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 22:02:14
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Knight Errant Jr. I plan on reading those books respectively, but that will take time.
And I wanted to get this information because I would like to add it to my campaign.
I would very much ask if someone could help me with these questions? I don't mind the spoiler because It won't stop me from reading those books. The thing is the campaign must be prepared for the players and I would like very much to get those aspects clear!
I'm reading the summoning, so I would say it was something to do with the Shades and the escaped Phaerim. Freed by the combination of Shadow weave magic and the weave magic of Galaeron...
Anyway if someone could answers these questions I would appreciatte?
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Kentinal
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 22:18:16
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OK in that case one of the scribes here has written about that year and the year following.
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/bahamut.htm which I believe is cannon but you might want to check with Dargoth to find out how much (if any) is fan fiction or home based campaign.
http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_13b.html also provides a timelime, though not as many detials as the first site offers.
Of course clicking on the URLs almost certainly will provide some spoiliers.
Edit: Just noticed I failed to successfully paste second URL below. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 23:37:36
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Okay... Spoilers below, from the Return of the Archwizards trilogy and from Elminster's Daughter. Highlight it to read it.
Tilverton was destroyed during the RotA trilogy. Vangey was there with the army and some huge, magical-light creating artifact that was supposed to help the fight against the Shadovar. But the Shades cast a powerful spell of their own... I don't recall if the artifact and the Shadovar magic clashed with each other, or if it was just a seriously powerful spell the Shades cast (I seriously dislike that trilogy, so I don't care to read it again to find out), but the end result was that Tilverton, and just about everything in it, disappeared.
The official description of Tilverton spells of a shadow-filled, bowl-shaped depression. But there was a short story where parts of the city were still standing. The city was very shadowy, and crawling with all sorts of shadow critters.
As for Vangey, he's working in a hidden area within Cormyr. He's working on a plan to safeguard Cormyr, using dragons. He's pretty isolated, so I'm inclined to say that he's unusable for campaign purposes. If he does do anything to interact with the outside world, it would likely be done thru at least a couple layers of intermediaries -- and it would be to support his current project. He's still defending the Forest Kingdom, but he's doing so in a different manner. This is described in Elminster's Daughter. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 23:38:31
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Wooly Rupert
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Just
Acolyte
Portugal
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 15:50:23
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Thanks friends. I appreciatted the responses and the input on this matter.
I think for now I ain't going to use Vangerdahast. Since my campaign is ocurring in the Summertide of the year 1372.*Spoiler* So at this time Vangerdahast is probably still with Elminster dealing with the research to become the powerfull dragon. So for now I don't think I'll use it. Still the Info about the shades was very important to me. Since I wasn't very sure if I should involve the Shades or how to involve them. Now I know there is an enmity, between Cormyr and the mighty Princes.*Spoiler*(Highlight to see) Did the spellcaster that unleashed the powerfull shade spell die in the blast and do you know which particular spellcaster was? Was it Hadrhune, Melegaunt or one of the other princes?
Particular Thanks to Wooly Rupert for that very valuable work about Faerunian history. I like my campaigns focused on a particular place and not straying much. But one never know what the players decide to do and I also always had this interest in making a campaign with time travel in faerun. I don't know if I'm going to do it in this one or perhaps I'm just going beyond my boundaries and my meager intelegence. Oh well one does what it can!
Thanks again friends. I'll be seeing you on the boards! Just the Qindahearted |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 22:24:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Speaking of timelines, I think the one hosted here is the best one I've ever seen: A Grand History of the Realms
Wooly,
I just checked out the timeline you indicated, it is great. Are there updates to this periodically?? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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JessiWolf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 06:35:19
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I am also wanting to run a campaign in Cormyr, and have just finished the Cormyr Trilogy. I want to have it begin after Death of the Dragon. However, I am curious about when these events took place in the timeline. I know that in the first book, it listed the current events as taking place in 1369 but does not list a month (unless I am completely blind and missed it). In the second book, it mentions that the Abraxus Affair (first book) was 15 months prior.... which still doesn't really help me figure out the exact month where certain things took place.
Would anyone be able to provide me the information? That way I can get an exact date of when Tanalasta found the fields and when Azoun faced the dragon, etc etc. I would greatly appreciate it!! |
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JessiWolf
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 06:41:14
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Alright, sorry to post again.
I have done a little more searching through the Forums and found that many people have been interested in Cormyr and received some valuable information.
The 2nd question that I have now....
So far I have found that most people have recommended the After the Dragon article from Dragon Annual #5, The Siege (from the Archwizards series) and Elminster's Daughter for those of us who wish to get more information about what happens after the Cormyr Trilogy.
I am curious as to which of these comes first, second, and third in the timeline. I am assuming the article would be the first update since the trilogy, but am unsure of the two novels.
Also, I haven't read the first books in the Elminster or Archwizards series.... will I be able to follow the novels without reading the first ones or will I be confused?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 06:56:06
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Originally posted by JessiWolf
So far I have found that most people have recommended the After the Dragon article from Dragon Annual #5, The Siege (from the Archwizards series) and Elminster's Daughter for those of us who wish to get more information about what happens after the Cormyr Trilogy.
I am curious as to which of these comes first, second, and third in the timeline. I am assuming the article would be the first update since the trilogy, but am unsure of the two novels.
Also, I haven't read the first books in the Elminster or Archwizards series.... will I be able to follow the novels without reading the first ones or will I be confused?
Thanks for any info you all can provide!!
You listed them in the order they come in game.
I'd read the Cormyr novels and article then the Return of Shade novels and then El's Daughter.
I'd throw in for reference the Into the Dragon's Lair 3e module which ties in with the events that took place after the Cormyr novels/article. |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 09:01:22
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| While I think they were written before the Ghazneth Crisis, I'd also add that Ed's The New Adventures of Volo articles in Dragon #276 (Cormyrian Contacts), and #278-#281 Lost Treasures of Cormyr I-IV holds some nice juicy information for anyone needing inspiration for Cormyrean adventures. |
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JessiWolf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 09:21:03
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Kuje, Thanks for the clarification!!
Do you think that I could read the second of the shade series and still follow it, if I haven't read the first? Same with the Elminster's series.
Kajehase, I ALWAYS appreciate more sources of information, thank you so much!! |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 13:09:09
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Originally posted by JessiWolf
Kuje, Thanks for the clarification!!
Do you think that I could read the second of the shade series and still follow it, if I haven't read the first? Same with the Elminster's series.
Kajehase, I ALWAYS appreciate more sources of information, thank you so much!!
I always look on the FR - the Library web site (http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_13b.html) it has some useful information about times, events and places listed chronologically. Helped me quite a lot along the years. A silent "thank thee" to its creators at this point. You might want to check it out, JessiWolf.
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P.S.: If it'S not a link at candlekeep yet, I strongly recommand it.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 16:43:37
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Originally posted by JessiWolf
Kuje, Thanks for the clarification!!
Do you think that I could read the second of the shade series and still follow it, if I haven't read the first? Same with the Elminster's series.
Kajehase, I ALWAYS appreciate more sources of information, thank you so much!!
The El novels you don't have to read before you read El's Daughter since that novel does have El in it but it's more of a stand alone novel unlike the other other El novels that show us parts of El's life.
But that isn't the same as the return of shade novels since that is a trilogy that connects to each other. I.E. Book 2 continues what was in book 1 and same with book 3.
Elminster in Hell ties in with the Return of Shade novels though, BTW since one of those novels from the trilogy, book 2?, first shows the scene where El is sent to Hell and then it's continued in El in Hell. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 14:50:59
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Originally posted by Kuje
Elminster in Hell ties in with the Return of Shade novels though, BTW since one of those novels from the trilogy, book 2?, first shows the scene where El is sent to Hell and then it's continued in El in Hell.
Do u know in which year they are taking place?
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Wooly Rupert
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JessiWolf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 14:04:45
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I just wanted to pop in again and say thank you again to everyone who offered suggestions on reading materials to help me out.
I also wanted to share a little bit of info that I have just found. I know several people (including myself) were questioning a more specific timeline of events from the 3 Cormyr novels.
I got a hold of 'The Best of the Realms II' and read the story with Alusair in it. In the story, a man mentions the funeral of Azoun being on the 11th of Kythorn. Just wanted to share that small piece of information to anyone who was interested. 
*EDIT* - I have also recently acquired 'Four from Cormyr' and one of the modules is based on Azoun IV's birthday, however it does not list what day or even month this takes place. I also remembered that in the second book, there is also a celebration of Azoun's birthday.
Does anyone have any idea of what that date is? I would be able to get a better idea of timeline between the various books of when certain events took place.
I have it broken down that Azoun IV died in Kythorn, which was also when Azoun V was born. In the book there is a small mention of the birth being early. So you can date her marrying Rowen to around Uktar-ish 1370. (Opinions?)
It is also mentioned that Dauneth had helped with the Abraxus Affair 15 months prior to the beginning of 'Beyond The High Road'. And I know that in the beginning of that book, Tanalasta is on her way to present Azoun with his birthday gift. So that would narrow the timeline down quite a bit.
So there was some kind of method to my crazy rambling
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 14:18:14
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1372 or 1373.
Thank you Wooly! Is there an official source for this? |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 14:34:40
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| 1372 for Elminster in Hell can be established with the help of the Campaign Journal chapter in Player's Guide to Faerűn. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 18:12:26
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From December of last year:
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Hi. As stated in “The Long Road Home,” the last story in my (ahem) Best of Eddie collection (oh, ALL right: THE BEST OF THE REALMS Book 2: The Stories of Ed Greenwood, Wizards of the Coast, July 2005, ISBN-10 is 0-7869-3760-2, ISBN-13 is 978-0-7869-3760-8, and there’s also this product number: 620-96711000-001-EN), Azoun’s funeral, glimpsed briefly at the end of DEATH OF THE DRAGON, befell on Kythorn 11, 1371 DR.
Azoun fell in the battle of Dragonfall a tenday earlier, dying on Mirtul 11th, 1371.
So saith Ed. So there’s THAT little bit of Realmslore cleared up.
In support of that death-date, despite some obliquely-conflicting Realmslore written by others, note that Alusair is wearing brand-new armor at the funeral, and even the best of armorers, working at a mad scramble, can hardly craft a full suit of armor, even if it’s “show armor,” in much less than ten days. Note also that a grieving widow in “The Long Road Home,” speaking on Flamerule 2, 1371 DR, spoke of her husband’s death (a man who died fighting at Azoun’s side, just before Azoun himself was dealt his mortal wound) as “two months gone.” The bodies of the dead royals were magically preserved for a one-month mourning period . . . and adding all of this Realmslore up gives us Mirtul 11th. Ed and Troy did work out a timeline for DotD, albeit after writing and trimming the text, so Ed’s not plucking a date from thin air here.
love to all,
THO
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Dhomal
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 05:54:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
From December of last year:
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....Azoun’s funeral, glimpsed briefly at the end of DEATH OF THE DRAGON, befell on Kythorn 11, 1371 DR.
Azoun fell in the battle of Dragonfall a tenday earlier, dying on Mirtul 11th, 1371.
Hello-
The two dates given above - funeral and death - seem to be 30 days apart - the same day of the month - different months - not a tenday off as the quote indicates. Has this been addressed somewhere already?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 06:18:38
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Originally posted by Dhomal
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
From December of last year:
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....Azoun’s funeral, glimpsed briefly at the end of DEATH OF THE DRAGON, befell on Kythorn 11, 1371 DR.
Azoun fell in the battle of Dragonfall a tenday earlier, dying on Mirtul 11th, 1371.
Hello-
The two dates given above - funeral and death - seem to be 30 days apart - the same day of the month - different months - not a tenday off as the quote indicates. Has this been addressed somewhere already?
Dhomal
The tenday reference is a slight mistake. Read further into that quote:
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The bodies of the dead royals were magically preserved for a one-month mourning period
Azoun’s funeral, glimpsed briefly at the end of DEATH OF THE DRAGON, befell on Kythorn 11
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