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darkcrow
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 06:18:06
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I have a question. I just finished Shadowdale and started Tantras. At the end of Shadowdale, Elminster gets pushed into the rift he created by Bane and from the otherside Elminster closes the rift and traps himself on another plane. In the beginning of Elminster in Hell, Elminster closes up the rift and traps himself in Hell. So my question is............Is there a connection between the Shadowdale and Elminster in Hell or is that just a quinsadents. (sorry for the spelling) Now I just started Tantras so please try not to spoil anything for me. Thank Ye
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 06:23:19
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darkcrow
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 06:44:31
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Originally posted by Kuje
The portal that El enters/falls into in El in Hell is not the same thing since that portal was made by Shadow Weave Magic. It was a way to get El out of the way during the 2nd and 3rd Return of the Archwizards novels, which BTW is where we first see El get sucked into Hell. :)
Thanks, I can't wait to read the Return of the Archwiards Trilogy. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 16:44:50
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Thanks, I can't wait to read the Return of the Archwiards Trilogy.
Elminster doesn't have a real role in the trilogy, if that's what you are hoping to read... And the reaction to this trilogy has been mixed. Some people like it, others of us thoroughly dislike it. To borrow a line I've seen elsewhere: your mileage may vary.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 21:39:01
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2005 : 21:56:25
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My opinion on the whole trilogy is somewhat mixed.
I think if you read the trilogy on its own before getting into the realms you will think it is a good read. The reason for this is because it is, on its own, entertaining. However, it contradicts the personalities of many previously established characters (Chosen) and abilities (silverfire).
I think if you give this trilogy to somebody who enjoys fantasy novels but doesn't know squat about the realms than they will appreciate it. Realms veterans however have a hard time with it.
But then again, that's just my opinion, and this is probably a topic for another thread. |
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Crust
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 : 22:23:39
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I have a question. I just finished Shadowdale and started Tantras. At the end of Shadowdale, Elminster gets pushed into the rift he created by Bane and from the otherside Elminster closes the rift and traps himself on another plane. In the beginning of Elminster in Hell, Elminster closes up the rift and traps himself in Hell. So my question is............Is there a connection between the Shadowdale and Elminster in Hell or is that just a quinsadents. (sorry for the spelling) Now I just started Tantras so please try not to spoil anything for me. Thank Ye
You're definitely going to want to pick up Greenwood's Shadows of the Avatar trilogy (Shadows of Doom, Cloak of Shadows, and All Shadows Fled). It's sort of a companion to the Avatar trilogy. |
"That's right, hurl back views that force ye to think by name-calling - 'tis the grand old tradition, let it not down! Anything to keep from having to think, or - Mystra forfend - change thy own views!"
Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"
"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."
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darkcrow
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Dec 2005 : 17:12:51
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You're definitely going to want to pick up Greenwood's Shadows of the Avatar trilogy (Shadows of Doom, Cloak of Shadows, and All Shadows Fled). It's sort of a companion to the Avatar trilogy.
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Thanks, I have them all except for the latest four novels released. After I finish the Avatar series, I have to pick between The Pools Trilogy or Shadows of the Avatar Trilogy next. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 04:14:10
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Thanks, I have them all except for the latest four novels released. After I finish the Avatar series, I have to pick between The Pools Trilogy or Shadows of the Avatar Trilogy next.
I'm no fan of either trilogy, but of those two, I'd suggest Shadows of the Avatar. I only read two of the Pools books, and those were enough to convince me not to read more. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 06:02:38
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Originally posted by Wooly RupertI'm no fan of either trilogy, but of those two, I'd suggest Shadows of the Avatar.
I'd agree with that... but I'm more of a fan of SotA than I am of the "Pools" trilogy + 1 books.
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I only read two of the Pools books, and those were enough to convince me not to read more.
I read them all for the sake of completeness and because they are "the Realms"... but I don't think I will ever read them again.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 : 06:26:36
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| I still can't remember the second one I read, though I know I did. And I remember tons of stuff I wish I could forget (though a lot more of it comes from DragonLance). Shadows of the Avatar at least does have events that affect various regions of the Realms, and the events in them are referenced later is a lot of Realmslore (the Maulagrym, the appearance of Helm that eventually caused the founding of the Abbey of the Sword, the appearance and activities of a few of the gods that DIDN'T get into massive battles and blow up large swaths of the Realms). |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 18:59:23
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I have read almost all of the realms novels, while some are not as great as others, I always look at them in the context of how they were written. The pools books, were almost storied after a PNP D&D game in my opinion, and I read them like that. You can almost see them leveling up and transitioning like one of your own characters. I liked the SotA because it filled in gaps from the avatar trilogy, who doesn't like The Rangers Three. SotA were written by Ed and from my experiences over the last 16 years in the realms is you like ED's books or you don't, there doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground with readers. I even look at the differences in chosen abilities and other powerful NPC's, kind of like the change between 2E and 3E, If I remember right, these books came out around the same time period as the change from 1E to 2E.
Anyways my 2 cents worth, but my advise to any hard core realms fan is read them all and make your own conclusions as to their greatness. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 23:37:33
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If I remember right, these books came out around the same time period as the change from 1E to 2E.
Actually, the SotA trilogy was published around the high point of the revised 2e FRCS -- 1995.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 : 00:51:08
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Originally posted by Wooly RupertI'm no fan of either trilogy, but of those two, I'd suggest Shadows of the Avatar.
I'd agree with that... but I'm more of a fan of SotA than I am of the "Pools" trilogy + 1 books.
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I only read two of the Pools books, and those were enough to convince me not to read more.
I read them all for the sake of completeness and because they are "the Realms"... but I don't think I will ever read them again.
I read the Pools books back when I was still in middle school, it was like the third trilogy I had borrowed off my brother. I thought they were great back then but sadly I do not recall much about them or how they compare to other novels and trilogies. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 : 03:51:21
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Originally posted by scererar
If I remember right, these books came out around the same time period as the change from 1E to 2E.
Actually, the SotA trilogy was published around the high point of the revised 2e FRCS -- 1995.
Right you are Sage, I was referring to the avatar and pool of radiance, I should have been more specific. Was I correct with the others?? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 : 04:16:17
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by scererar
If I remember right, these books came out around the same time period as the change from 1E to 2E.
Actually, the SotA trilogy was published around the high point of the revised 2e FRCS -- 1995.
Right you are Sage, I was referring to the avatar and pool of radiance, I should have been more specific. Was I correct with the others??
The Avatar trilogy was written in 1989.
Pool of Radiance was also written in 1989 -- with the other two books -- Pools of Darkness and Pool of Twilight being written in 1991 and 1993 respectively.
You can check the publication dates for novels here at Candlekeep:- http://candlekeep.com/bookshelf/novels.htm
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