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 "Rising Tide" vs "City of Splendors" re: Year
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Tidrec
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Posted - 25 Nov 2005 :  02:44:26  Show Profile  Visit Tidrec's Homepage Send Tidrec a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
In "Rising Tide", the Sahaugin attack on Waterdeep is 1369 DR. But in "City of Splendors" (which I have just started reading...PLEASE, NO SPOILERS ), the events take place in 1370 DR. The "City of Splendors" sourcebook agrees with the older novel, placing the attack in 1369, the Year of the Gauntlet.

I would normally assume the original novel and the sourcebook are canon for recent Waterdeep history. But since Ed Greenwood co-wrote the new novel, I don't want to jump to conclusions.

So, which is correct? And, for future reference, what is the rule-of-thumb for deciding which source is correct in conflicts like this?

Kentinal
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Posted - 25 Nov 2005 :  03:28:49  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As for the year difference, I would not worry about it. Lore can be told from the presepetive of each side.

the one side considers the attack started in 1369.

The recorders of Waterdeep history consider the starting point 1370, at which they consider consider the battle started, there certainly could have been incidents recorded in Waterdeep history of events occuring in 1369.

As for what is current canon the general appears to be everything in print that bear the FR Logo is canon and anything not in print that Ed Greenwood says is canon. When canon conflicts the last printed item replaces older printed item. When a novel and a source booh conflict released at about the same time, the sourcebook should be considered canon.

Not a perfect guideline that has lead to many debates of when a novel has changed canon, because no source book was released at about the same time.

Also my rule of thumb might be disputed by others, however it is the best answer I can give you.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon

Edited by - Kentinal on 25 Nov 2005 03:30:29
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 25 Nov 2005 :  22:10:42  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ACK! The dreaded C word! Get it away, get it away!

As for your question, Tidrec there is at most a year's difference between the two dates, so I wouldn't worry about it. :) It's not really a big deal, and I know it didn't keep me from enjoying the novel or anything.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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sleyvas
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Posted - 28 Nov 2005 :  15:52:27  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
does the City of Splendors give an actual date? I thought it just made reference that the attack happened "a year ago". If so, that's subjective (if it was a year and 11 months, you might still say a year ago). Not that I'm doubting you (and I know they often do put the month,year reference starting off chapters).

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Tidrec
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Posted - 28 Nov 2005 :  20:09:36  Show Profile  Visit Tidrec's Homepage Send Tidrec a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The novel has a prelude, which is dated "30 Ches, Year of the Tankard, 1370 DR". As others have said, I won't worry about it in terms of my campaign. I'm just a stickler for continuity when it comes to things like that.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Nov 2005 :  20:53:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The attack on Waterdeep that penetrated as far as the city streets, by way of the sewers, occurred in 1370 DR (the WotC Book Department checked all dates in the novel).
It was not the first attack from the sea in what has become known as "the Threat from the Sea," nor the last. It was, however, the only one in which the attackers conquered the harbor and were able to assault the docks at will.
The Threat from the Sea was not a tidy, occurred-on-this-day event, but more than a season of raids on shores, estuaries, and islands.
love,
THO
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 :  21:35:19  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

The Threat from the Sea was not a tidy, occurred-on-this-day event, but more than a season of raids on shores, estuaries, and islands.
love,
THO



*nods* True enough--well said.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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