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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 17 Nov 2005 :  15:44:36  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
KEJr.,

Interesting observations.

As for your question: The finale of Midnight's Mask occurs in mid-to-late autumn of 1374DR. I haven't really pegged down the date more than that. A specific date may be set forth in an upcoming FR game product but I'm not certain.
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khorne
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Posted - 17 Nov 2005 :  16:42:09  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PaulSKemp

KEJr.,

Interesting observations.

As for your question: The finale of Midnight's Mask occurs in mid-to-late autumn of 1374DR. I haven't really pegged down the date more than that. A specific date may be set forth in an upcoming FR game product but I'm not certain.


Eh? I thought it happened around 1372.

If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy
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Ethriel
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Posted - 17 Nov 2005 :  22:12:37  Show Profile  Visit Ethriel's Homepage Send Ethriel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Worthy end to one of the best Realms trilogies out there, Paul! If I had any future requests, I'd have to ask more of the tantalizing hints of the Cyricists vs. Banites you offered with Vraggen and Azriim vs. Cale and Riven again...after all, Vhostym himself said Azriim will not be satisfied with his current state.

Hats off to you, Paul, a spectacular finish. The end fights were great, Vhostym was awesome and the Slaadi? What a bunch, Azriim especially. Such lines as "These were new pants!", "I picked these carpets myself...", "Mind your manners!" and "His taste in clothes, friends....and carpets lack, but these are hardly fatal flaws."
Dolgan, too...a farewell to the idiot Slaad-who I'll always remember as 'Hey, are you saying I'm a lackey?!"

That this gang were Slaadi was a great twist on its own and I hope to see more of the Brood survivor...just so long as he keeps his fun obsession with good language and clothing.
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Malarick
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quote:
Originally posted by Ethriel

anything else we'll hear on Kesson Rel in the new trilogy? And most especially: Any plot details you can tell us on this RSE?


Please keep in mind that this thread is to discuss chapters 16 to the epilogue.

Questions like this need to be directed to Paul in his dedicated questions thread, in the chamber of sages.

Thanks

Malarick
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Monsoon28
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 :  14:13:39  Show Profile  Visit Monsoon28's Homepage Send Monsoon28 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Have to say an excellent ending to an awesome series!

The fact the such a grand sceme was based on such a simple desire fit so well, I mean I could have felt cheated (like watching a hour long episode of some show only to find out it was a dream sequence.) But I didn't, it just worked and it felt 'real'.

Jak's death was done well, and I'm glad to see Cale/Riven figure out it was best to let him have his rest.

Riven stayed true to himself throughout the entire series, and I loved it. At the end as he's eating his soup, this was the same Riven as at always, just one that now understood the value of friends. He never became a goody two-shoes or softy and for this I still love him (almost) as much as I do Cale!

Kudos on a well written series, I can't wait for what you have in store next!

'The only thing I know is that I know nothing' -Socrates
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 29 Nov 2005 :  14:52:09  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28

Have to say an excellent ending to an awesome series!

The fact the such a grand sceme was based on such a simple desire fit so well, I mean I could have felt cheated (like watching a hour long episode of some show only to find out it was a dream sequence.) But I didn't, it just worked and it felt 'real'.

Jak's death was done well, and I'm glad to see Cale/Riven figure out it was best to let him have his rest.

Riven stayed true to himself throughout the entire series, and I loved it. At the end as he's eating his soup, this was the same Riven as at always, just one that now understood the value of friends. He never became a goody two-shoes or softy and for this I still love him (almost) as much as I do Cale!

Kudos on a well written series, I can't wait for what you have in store next!



Monsoon28,

Thanks a million. I delighted that you enjoyed the series.

Paul
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Ioulaum
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  01:30:53  Show Profile  Visit Ioulaum's Homepage Send Ioulaum a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Any hints on "who" heard the msg for help and is this going to be address in the Twilight War series?
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scererar
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I was so into the book that I was able to finish the last 2 chapters with my 2 kids running around the room, sword fighting with the cardboard rolls from x-mas wrapping, and the tv going in the back ground.

Paul, great book! and a great end to the trilogy.

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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  13:34:48  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ioulaum

Any hints on "who" heard the msg for help and is this going to be address in the Twilight War series?




Ioulaum,

The Shadovar will feature prominently in "The Twilight War." And the Source, a Netherese creation, called out in Netherese along the Weave. It will be safe to assume that some among the Shadovar sensed that call.
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  13:36:29  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by scererar

I was so into the book that I was able to finish the last 2 chapters with my 2 kids running around the room, sword fighting with the cardboard rolls from x-mas wrapping, and the tv going in the back ground.

Paul, great book! and a great end to the trilogy.





Scererar,

Thank you very much.

Incidentally, I used to swordfight with my nephew with those cardboard rolls. Big fun. My 16 month old boys seem to enjoy carrying them around now, too. Must be in the blood.
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Bocklin
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  15:24:42  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I finished Midnight's Mask a week or two ago and I must say that the trilogy keeps on haunting me in a very nice way. Can't wait for Paul's Twilight War's Trilogy.

I was lucky enough to have missed the series so far, which meant I could read all the three books in one go after Midnight's Mask was released. All in all, I think that it certainly is one of the best FR series and the third book does justice to the whole.

Things I really appreciated and that culminates in Midnight's Mask last chapters:

1) The Sojourner's nihilism (very well articulated throughout the books, very Nietzschean character) that gets to reach its apex at the end of Midnight's Mask. His gentle walk on the beach, under the Crown of Fire Flame is brilliant (edit: nice typo, very "FR").

To me, his nihilism makes him one of the most interesting villains of the Realms.


2) The series was quite dark and had a very nice "hopelessness" touch. The end is therefore also fitting: the "heroes" were the unwitting agents of a dark deity, knowing that they were more or less serving him, but not exactly how.

Furthermore, the death of Jak, and Erevis' consequent refusal to raise him from the dead, was also a very good moment: Mask gives the power to his First, knowing that using it would mean for Erevis to do something selfish (going against the deep, real desire of his friend to rest in peace) and thus would draw him further in the Shadow.


3) The theft of a temple of Cyric is an excellent idea. What a great and fitting way for Mask to take revenge... I was exhilarated when reading this!

One is left wondering what Mask's take in all this really is and it strikes you at the end only. Well, of course: Mask is a master deceiver and Paul as well it seems! ;-)

All of these elements slowly matured throughout the novels, but really reached their high point during the last chapters of Midnight's Mask. A great great book.

Thanks for this excellent read, Paul!

Bocklin

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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  16:02:39  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Bocklin,

Thank you very much for the kind words.

You've got Vhostym pegged -- Neitzschean is exactly what I was going for. Vhostym actually "thinks" a quote from Nietzsche in Midnight's Mask. If I recall correctly, it is a quote from "Twilight of the Idols." Do you recall it?

Incidentally, to judge from reviews I've seen, emails I've received, etc., it's clear to me that Germans "get" my writing. I wonder if this makes me the David Hasslehoff of the Realms.

Ich bin ein Deutscher! (at least in sprit)

Edited by - PaulSKemp on 28 Dec 2005 16:06:02
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Ebonshine
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  17:39:03  Show Profile  Visit Ebonshine's Homepage Send Ebonshine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have never been a fan of Mask, I've always hoped Cyric would finish him off or Shar would step in an kill him for his portfolio of Shadows I believe he possesses.

After having read this series I can still say I don't like Mask and still hope he perishes, but I dig at least two of his chosen. The verdict is still out on any others we may run across, although Kesson Rel, the little that was revealed about him, seems like a very intriguing character but I think he should be a Cyricist instead of a Mask chosen or ex-chosen or whatever he is now.

Excellent series all around. The final chapters were very well done and perhaps, in my opinion, one of the best endings for a trilogy in the realms ever. Jak dying and not returning was a very refreshing change as was Vhostym's motive for all the destruction he caused, both of which both surprised and delighted me.

So many villains are all about garnering more power, wealth, prestige, and the like and it was great to see such a supremely powerful being have such a simple desire, wishing to re-live a moment from his youth he remembered with his father.

Thanks for the effort Mr. Kemp and I look forward to your next series.
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  19:08:45  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ebonshine




Thanks for the effort Mr. Kemp and I look forward to your next series.



Ebonshine,

Thanks for taking a moment to share your thoughts, and thank you for the praise. I'm pleased you enjoyed the books.

As for Kesson Rel, he will appear in "The Twilight War" and his full story will be revealed. I think it may come as a bit of a surprise.
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Bocklin
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  19:17:25  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PaulSKemp

Bocklin,

Thank you very much for the kind words.

You've got Vhostym pegged -- Neitzschean is exactly what I was going for. Vhostym actually "thinks" a quote from Nietzsche in Midnight's Mask. If I recall correctly, it is a quote from "Twilight of the Idols." Do you recall it?

Incidentally, to judge from reviews I've seen, emails I've received, etc., it's clear to me that Germans "get" my writing. I wonder if this makes me the David Hasslehoff of the Realms.

Ich bin ein Deutscher! (at least in sprit)



Actually I did not read "Twilight of the Idols", I just read the Zarathustra, the Gay science, Ecce Homo and the Will to Power.

I don't remember one specific thought of Vhostym, but I would suggest (p. 142-143): "He might have wished that existence had a greater purpose, but he knew better and refused to deceive himself. It simply was."? Could be from Nietzsche.

Btw. I am not German, I just happen to live in Berlin, but I am a francophone Belgian. Nevertheless, I think that I can also safely say "ich bin ein Deutscher" in spirit.

Bocklin
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  19:54:12  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bocklin


I don't remember one specific thought of Vhostym, but I would suggest (p. 142-143): "He might have wished that existence had a greater purpose, but he knew better and refused to deceive himself. It simply was."? Could be from Nietzsche.


Well, turns out I didn't quite quote him anyway, so your lines get at the concept just as well as mine. But right around the lines you quote, the Sojourner thinks, "There were no moral facts," which was a restatement of Nietzsche's "There are altogether no moral facts."

Subjectivism at its "best."

quote:
Originally posted by BocklinBtw. I am not German, I just happen to live in Berlin, but I am a francophone Belgian. Nevertheless, I think that I can also safely say "ich bin ein Deutscher" in spirit.



I suppose I'm not the "David Hasselhoff of the Realms" then. Alas!
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Bocklin
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Posted - 29 Dec 2005 :  09:03:52  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dear Paul,

Sorry for bringing down the level a bit and become so prosaical, but I have a very practical question about the dating of the novel.

quote:
Originally posted by PaulSKemp


As for your question: The finale of Midnight's Mask occurs in mid-to-late autumn of 1374DR. I haven't really pegged down the date more than that. A specific date may be set forth in an upcoming FR game product but I'm not certain.



Do you mean 1374 or 1373?

On page 92, Sephris mentions "1712 years ago magic failed and Sakkors fell from the sky". If we take this as a reference to the Year of Sundered Webs (-339) we might conclude that he speaks in 1373 DR.

Or, is there no such thing as a year "0" that counts as a full year and that we should take into account? Does the DR calendar jumps from -1 to 1?

Woops I am lost in time...

Bocklin

PS: If you really insist we could round up a couple of German FR fans and fill in a petition to have you invited at "Wetten das..." (some strange German show where David H. likes to appear) and you can come wearing a curly whig and sing some impious song composed by Mr. Greenwood himself and then eat some white sausage and drink beer. If that does not make you the David Hasselhof of the Realms, I don't know what would!

Edited by - Bocklin on 29 Dec 2005 09:04:07
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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Dec 2005 :  10:18:24  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Finished reading Modnights mask over the weekend which I really enjoyed


It did however leave me with a few questions

Did we ever find out of what the Sojourner actually wise ie what race?

Did sojourners use of the Weave taps allow him to get around Mystras Denial? He seemd to be casting some pretty powerful spells towards the end of the trilogy

Paul how do you think Mask took Cale threatening him at the end? I imagine most gods would be outraged that Follower should threaten a deity but mask has always come across as a bit of Rogue (Pardon the Pun) and was probably amused by Cales audacity.

In Midnights mask the Source seemed to come across as more of a Psionic device than an Arcane and would have felt more at home in flooded Jhaamdathan ruin than the remains of Netherese city... (To my knowledge the Netheres wherent big Psionics)

Paul will Oghmas chosen feature in the new trilogy? (Is it just me or does everyone else picture Oghmas chosen looking like the mathmatician from the TV series Numb3rs )

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Bocklin
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Posted - 29 Dec 2005 :  12:20:24  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Dargoth,

I am not sure how the "Book club" works, so I hope you won't mind if I write down some of my interpretations to some of the points you raised, even if they were directly adressed to Paul.

1. The Sojourner, IIRC, is a Githzerai. It is mentioned in the first novel. There are indirect references to his living in a monastery in the Astral before he freed himself of the preconceptions of his race.

2. Mask should have been particularly amused by Erevis' threats, because he was asking for the power to do something that would have drawn him deeper in his darkness.

Casting "Raise Dead" on Jak would have meant putting Jak before a dilemna and Jak would have probably agreed to come back to life to help Erevis but would have regretted it (because what he aspired to - and had clearly expressed previously - was a peaceful rest). So in the end, it would have been a selfish act for Erevis to actually cast the spell and thus ask this of his friend. That's probably why Mask granted it, like when he offered to Erevis the power to command a host of shadows.

So my bet is that Mask was probably more annoyed by Erevis not casting the spell than by asking for it.

Just my two cents...

Bocklin


quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Finished reading Modnights mask over the weekend which I really enjoyed


It did however leave me with a few questions

Did we ever find out of what the Sojourner actually wise ie what race?

Did sojourners use of the Weave taps allow him to get around Mystras Denial? He seemd to be casting some pretty powerful spells towards the end of the trilogy

Paul how do you think Mask took Cale threatening him at the end? I imagine most gods would be outraged that Follower should threaten a deity but mask has always come across as a bit of Rogue (Pardon the Pun) and was probably amused by Cales audacity.

In Midnights mask the Source seemed to come across as more of a Psionic device than an Arcane and would have felt more at home in flooded Jhaamdathan ruin than the remains of Netherese city... (To my knowledge the Netheres wherent big Psionics)

Paul will Oghmas chosen feature in the new trilogy? (Is it just me or does everyone else picture Oghmas chosen looking like the mathmatician from the TV series Numb3rs )

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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 29 Dec 2005 :  20:45:04  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bocklin



Do you mean 1374 or 1373?

On page 92, Sephris mentions "1712 years ago magic failed and Sakkors fell from the sky". If we take this as a reference to the Year of Sundered Webs (-339) we might conclude that he speaks in 1373 DR.

Or, is there no such thing as a year "0" that counts as a full year and that we should take into account? Does the DR calendar jumps from -1 to 1?

Woops I am lost in time...

Bocklin

PS: If you really insist we could round up a couple of German FR fans and fill in a petition to have you invited at "Wetten das..." (some strange German show where David H. likes to appear) and you can come wearing a curly whig and sing some impious song composed by Mr. Greenwood himself and then eat some white sausage and drink beer. If that does not make you the David Hasselhof of the Realms, I don't know what would!



Bocklin,

I've always assumed that there is no year 0, so I'll stick with 1374.

And "Wetten das" it is. Though if Ed were to write the song, I suspect we'd have to put an "R" rating on the whole affair.
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 29 Dec 2005 :  20:58:13  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth


It did however leave me with a few questions

Did we ever find out of what the Sojourner actually wise ie what race?

Did sojourners use of the Weave taps allow him to get around Mystras Denial? He seemd to be casting some pretty powerful spells towards the end of the trilogy

Paul how do you think Mask took Cale threatening him at the end? I imagine most gods would be outraged that Follower should threaten a deity but mask has always come across as a bit of Rogue (Pardon the Pun) and was probably amused by Cales audacity.

In Midnights mask the Source seemed to come across as more of a Psionic device than an Arcane and would have felt more at home in flooded Jhaamdathan ruin than the remains of Netherese city... (To my knowledge the Netheres wherent big Psionics)

Paul will Oghmas chosen feature in the new trilogy? (Is it just me or does everyone else picture Oghmas chosen looking like the mathmatician from the TV series Numb3rs )



Dargoth,

I'm delighted you enjoyed the novel. Now on to the questions:

1. The Sojourner is a member of the gith race as it existed before it split into what would become the Githzerai and Githyanki. In terms of nomenclature, I've referred to him as a Githvyrik. There would be only a handful of his kind left, all of them powerful, all of them ancient, all of them...peculiar.

2. The Weave Tap does not allow the Sojourner to get around the Denial. He does cast powerful magic, much of it amplified by the Tower, but none of it would violate the
Denial. I think of the final spell as Ritual Magic, or something akin to Elven High Magic, rather than anything like ordinary spellcasting.

3. I think Mask would look with amused favor on Cale's challenge. After all, a god would not want a Chosen who is an obsequious flunky. The god would want a person with courage, initiative, verve, resolution. The price you pay in "choosing" a person like that is the risk that he or she might challenge you or otherwise rebel against your wishes. "Choosing the right Chosen" is a bit of two edged sword, then, which may explain why only a few gods use them.

4. The Source is a mythallar that the arcanists of Sakkors decided to make sentient. There was a reason for making it sentient, which I will explain in The Twilight War. The mental powers of the Source were simply the byproduct, perhaps unforeseen by Sakkors' arcanists, of investing sentience in such a powerful magic item.

The Source does everything that an ordinary mythallar does (from an arcane magic standpoint) and has some psionic ability to boot. I suspect that it was and is singular among Netherese mythallars.

5. I'm not yet certain if Sephris will make an appearance in the Twilight War but I'm leaning toward....not sure. Either way, his words and prophecies will continue to haunt Cale.


Paul

Edited by - PaulSKemp on 29 Dec 2005 23:58:29
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Bocklin
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Hi all,

Just one more question. I am under the impression that there is still one "contigency" pending by the end of the novel.

I am trying to remember how it was:

1st contigency = "Riven betrays Cale -> Cale remembers that this was the plan all along and that Riven is just betraying him to infilter the Slaad's brood"

2nd contigency = "Riven sees the Sojourner -> he remembers that he is a mole and has to kill him"

But then, after the 2nd one has triggered, Jak, Erevis and Mags are discussing the contigencies and Jak realized that this is what they were doing on the plane of shadows when they had asked him to stay away. He then adds that he had heard them speak a bit longer and prepare a third thing, probably a third contigency. Erevis and Mags are puzzled and can't remember, saying that it will just come up when the proper conditions are met.

Is it me or we never saw that third contigency come into play?

Bocklin
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 :  13:58:20  Show Profile  Visit PaulSKemp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Bocklin,

You are a careful reader. The issue of what else might have happened on the Plane of Shadow between the three remains an open question. Well done!
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Bocklin
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Aha! Thank you.

Good to know that I did not miss it, then!

Maybe something you are keeping warm for the "Twilight War"? I wonder...

Bocklin

Edited by - Bocklin on 30 Jan 2006 09:41:17
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Magic Matt
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WoW, this is an A+ book and series! I strongly recomend this to all FR fans, it's one of the best.

The action is great, the plot is mysterious, the diologue quick, and the charcters are real.

I would have liked more on the Cale love story (can't believe I'm writting this), and less time on the Plane of Shadows (depressing), and more charcter development (great set of guys). BUT, these are minor personal prefrences, the books are great!

Matt

Edited by - Magic Matt on 02 Feb 2006 21:16:21
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PaulSKemp
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quote:
Originally posted by Magic Matt

WoW, this is an A+ book and series! I strongly recomend this to all FR fans, it's one of the best.

The action is great, the plot is mysterious, the diologue quick, and the charcters are real.

I would have liked more on the Cale love story (can't believe I'm writting this), and less time on the Plane of Shadows (depressing), and more charcter development (great set of guys). BUT, these are minor personal prefrences, the books are great!

Matt




Thank you, Matt. I appreciate that and I'm pleased you enjoyed the trilogy. Varra will appear in the next trilogy ("The Twilight War") so her relationship with Cale will evolve.

And hey, it's hard to make the Plane of Shadows anything other than depressing. Gloomy is the nature of the joint.
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George Krashos
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Well, I just finished this and my work computer is not a place to give a reasoned discussion of the book - it was however an enjoyable read. My only nitpick was that (until reading this thread) I had no idea what Vostym was. Given his sun fetish, I initially thought he was an illusion-disguised illithid but obviously not. It would have been nice to have finished the story and had the major "baddie" protagonist's race neatly stowed away in my noggin' - no need to be so obscure in your descriptions, Mr Kemp! A single throwaway line that had the word "Gith" in it would have been more than sufficient. But then again, you're probably catering to a more accomplished audience than yours truly ...

One other question (and kind of a request, also): when did the events of this trilogy take place in Realms time? In your next trilogy, could you give a date at the beginning of the various chapters as Rich and Richard are doing in their trilogies, as we speak? We historical types would be most appreciative.

More comments in a while.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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PaulSKemp
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

My only nitpick was that (until reading this thread) I had no idea what Vostym was. Given his sun fetish, I initially thought he was an illusion-disguised illithid but obviously not. It would have been nice to have finished the story and had the major "baddie" protagonist's race neatly stowed away in my noggin' - no need to be so obscure in your descriptions, Mr Kemp! A single throwaway line that had the word "Gith" in it would have been more than sufficient. But then again, you're probably catering to a more accomplished audience than yours truly ...

One other question (and kind of a request, also): when did the events of this trilogy take place in Realms time? In your next trilogy, could you give a date at the beginning of the various chapters as Rich and Richard are doing in their trilogies, as we speak? We historical types would be most appreciative.




George,

I believe the deva captured by Vhostym in Dawn of Night mentions that Vhostym is "like the githyanki," but different. I may also have dropped a line at one point where Vhostym thinks something like: "When his people fought their way free of Illithid dominance" or something along those lines. Those were meant to suggest his origin. They are widely spaced, though, so connecting the dots might be tough.

Believe me when I tell you that I wasn't trying to be particularly obscure, but perhaps it came across that way. I write in tight-third person, so "self-descriptions" don't really have any place in the narrative. It would be like my writing a scene from George Krashos's point of view and writing something like: "George set down the novel and pondered. The human had never read anything quite like it."

See what I mean? Unless you ordinarily think of yourself during self-reflection as "the human," that's a bit jarring. Accordingly, Vhostym never thinks of himself as "the gith." Instead, I tried to suggest his history indirectly. Not well enough, it would appear.

As for dates: I have to check back on my notes and an email exchange with Eric Boyd. I believe MM takes place in the early fall of 1374 DR. On the subject of chapters with dates: It now appears to be WotC's practice to date the chapters of RSE trilogies, which is why RotAW, RLB's Rogue Dragon Trilogy, and Rich's Last Mythal trilogy all have chapter dates. I don't know if that will be extended to all books or just be a requirement for RSE's. Rest assured, "The Twiligt War" will have chapter by chapter dates.

Paul

Edited by - PaulSKemp on 10 Feb 2006 15:33:56
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BTW, the new Waterdeep sourcebook, in the Skullport chapter, says the events take place a few years after 1369.... So I'm assuming that's around 1372 to 1374. :)

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has there been any mention of the effects, if any of the cracks in Selune, will have on Toril.
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