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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 00:19:14
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Do artifacts have a 'value' in gp terms when working out an NPCs equipment? If I want to give an NPC an artifact how would I figure it in relation to his gp/eq total?
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 00:26:27
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No, they don't.
Don't worry about it-the trouble that an artifact brings is enough, apparently.
If it's something that could be expressed in epic magic item rules and you want desperately to do it, you could work the artifact out that way and then count it against the NPC's gp total that way. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 00:28:25
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Artifacts are extremely powerful. Rather than merely another form of magic equipment, they are the sorts of legendary relics that whole campaigns can be based on. Each could be the center of a whole set of adventures—a quest to recover it, a fight against a opponent wielding it, a mission to cause its destruction, and so on.
No table has been included to randomly generate specific artifacts, since these items should only enter a campaign through deliberate choice on your part.
To include an artifact I would tend to make it part of the storyline (under current rules) rather then NPC equipment item. They can be costed out I am sure, following the craft magic rules, to come up with a market value. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 01:41:53
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Thanks guys. And just one other thing: epic feats. If I have a high-level wizard (say level 26), on my calculation they get 6 wizard bonus feats. Two of those feats happen when they are level 20+ (i.e Epic characters). Can these 'bonus' feats be epic metamagic feats or are they restricted to the list given in the PH for level 1-20 wizards?
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 02:01:00
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Thanks guys. And just one other thing: epic feats. If I have a high-level wizard (say level 26), on my calculation they get 6 wizard bonus feats. Two of those feats happen when they are level 20+ (i.e Epic characters). Can these 'bonus' feats be epic metamagic feats or are they restricted to the list given in the PH for level 1-20 wizards?
-- George Krashos
You can only get epic feats with bonus feats from epic classes-that is, only the last two feat selections can be epic feats. The first four have to be off that list. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 02:18:55
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Thanks guys. And just one other thing: epic feats. If I have a high-level wizard (say level 26), on my calculation they get 6 wizard bonus feats. Two of those feats happen when they are level 20+ (i.e Epic characters). Can these 'bonus' feats be epic metamagic feats or are they restricted to the list given in the PH for level 1-20 wizards?
-- George Krashos
Those last 2 can be Epic feats, but they must still follow the same restriction, i.e. Craft feat, Meta-Magic feat, etc. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2005 : 02:34:51
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Thanks guys. And just one other thing: epic feats. If I have a high-level wizard (say level 26), on my calculation they get 6 wizard bonus feats. Two of those feats happen when they are level 20+ (i.e Epic characters). Can these 'bonus' feats be epic metamagic feats or are they restricted to the list given in the PH for level 1-20 wizards?
-- George Krashos
Those last 2 can be Epic feats, but they must still follow the same restriction, i.e. Craft feat, Meta-Magic feat, etc.
No, they have to either be that, or from the epic wizard bonus feat list, which includes more feats then just that. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 01:34:54
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Take Epic Constitution - helps out wizards a lot!
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 05:29:02
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| I give my NPC's whatever they need to round out a party or my game. Its the one time you can have whatever you want without justifying it to the GM! :) |
Huzzah! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 06:17:19
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I hear you re giving an NPC what they need, but in the context of an 'official' NPC, I've got to stick with the rules. Last thing - the DM's Guide gives on p.127 (Table 4-23) and look at the value of NPC gear up to 20th level. Is there an Epic version of this table? How much is the value of the gear for a level 31 character?
-- George Krashos
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 06:22:00
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Well, its not like I am going to misuse the stuff. I am not a mean GM. :)
I also give my players stuff they want if they can justify it, its not totally our of place inthe game, and of course if they misuse it I make them pay...muhahahahaha!
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 06:23:50
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Krash -
I can't believe you made me look this up at 11:21pm... but I do not see an Epic version of this table anywhere. I just flipped through it and it seems mainly focused on PCs.
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 06:30:24
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| Szass Tam (the dog) ate it! |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 06:30:46
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I hear you re giving an NPC what they need, but in the context of an 'official' NPC, I've got to stick with the rules. Last thing - the DM's Guide gives on p.127 (Table 4-23) and look at the value of NPC gear up to 20th level. Is there an Epic version of this table? How much is the value of the gear for a level 31 character?
-- George Krashos
Look on page 317 of the ELH-you want 627,000 gp.
EDIT: And just when do we get to find out who you're statting up?  |
Edited by - Arivia on 30 Oct 2005 06:33:17 |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 06:33:06
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I hear you re giving an NPC what they need, but in the context of an 'official' NPC, I've got to stick with the rules. Last thing - the DM's Guide gives on p.127 (Table 4-23) and look at the value of NPC gear up to 20th level. Is there an Epic version of this table? How much is the value of the gear for a level 31 character?
-- George Krashos
Look on page 317 of the ELH-you want 627,000 gp.
Hey, now, you are assuming as such - it has no 31st level category, but I guess I agree. :)
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 22:58:23
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Originally posted by Arivia
Look on page 317 of the ELH-you want 627,000 gp.
EDIT: And just when do we get to find out who you're statting up?
Thanks Arivia. I don't actually have the ELH, just the SRD download. 627k? That's not much! But I'll see what I can do.
As to who this is for ... that reminds me, I have to ping Ed. Thanks again.
-- George Krashos
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 23:07:16
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Arivia
Look on page 317 of the ELH-you want 627,000 gp.
EDIT: And just when do we get to find out who you're statting up?
Thanks Arivia. I don't actually have the ELH, just the SRD download. 627k? That's not much! But I'll see what I can do.
As to who this is for ... that reminds me, I have to ping Ed. Thanks again.
-- George Krashos
Yep.
One note: There's a specific exception listed for epic spellcasting NPCs-it says feel free to give them whatever kinds of epic spells you want. If your character has Epic Spellcasting, feel free to do so, mostly because they're not lootable, no matter what they cost.
And will you at least tell me when whatever all this is for comes to fruition? Pllllllllease? I've been waiting oh so patiently. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Oct 2005 : 23:20:03
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Let me try again.
An Artifact does not count against NPC wealth, in many cases it is Inteligent and should be considered an NPC (if not Inteligent the iten is a hazzard). Any NPC that "owns" an artifact well need all of their wealth to help protect it from those that seek to aquire it.
As per the SRD (or at least the bookmarked version I most often use) they have no market value to even be used to count against NPC wealth. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 30 Oct 2005 23:20:45 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2005 : 01:34:53
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Never fear, my musings may yet grace the halls of Candlekeep. I've just got to talk to the bearded one first ...
-- George Krashos
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Artifacts for NPCs
