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hooper101
Learned Scribe
USA
117 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 20:49:50
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I need more info on lurue. Are there any novels that speak of him or her?
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Die, die, die ,die, die, why won't you just die you silly dragon! |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 21:10:55
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Edit: Was completely off my head and was talking about Luiren - just keep going, nothing to see here. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist. Terry Pratchett |
Edited by - Kajehase on 25 Oct 2005 21:41:44 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 21:24:30
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Lady of Poison by Bruce R. Cordell has a main char who is a cleric of Lurue and his quest to find her. :)
Powers & Pantheons has a lot of info on her and Ed has discussed her on and off in the past 2 years. :) Those replies can be found in my So Saith Ed web site here on Candlekeep's main web site. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 25 Oct 2005 21:25:51 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 22:39:05
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Because of her whimsical followers, the Knights of the Unicorn, Lurue is my fave Realms deity. I asked Ed about her and Nobanion last year. Here is the reply I got:
quote: Well met again, all. Your Lady Hooded One returns (thank you for that naming, Wooly Rupert!), with Ed’s latest:
Hi, Wooly Rupert. Well, now: Nobanion and Lurue are, of course, the Lion and the Unicorn of British nursery rhyme fame (with all the meanings that go with that, too; they are among other things the supporters of the royal coat of arms for that country, and in many other coats of arms associated with England). Yet they’re also MUCH more than that. For me, I have to be able to imagine a deity with some awe, and I often do it by attaching to them emotions evoked by other fiction. So, the Lion is also Aslan the Lion in The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis (Christian allegorical fantasy classics soon to appear in a Disney movie that * might * turn out to be okay, and already on film in any number of BBC adaptations down the years, some of them superb). The Narnia books are hated by some, loved by others, but chock-full of little heart-wrenching scenes regardless, and are among the top-selling English-language fiction books of all time. I didn’t mean my lion-god to BE Aslan, of course; as you saw in that DRAGON article, a lot of names were placeholders at the time, waiting for Mr. Gygax to round out the “official” (Greyhawk) pantheon. Aslan has that name because he has evoke that “awe” for me. The name “Aslan” is Indian in origin (India, not native North American), and the lion is of course a Christian symbol for ‘the King’ from way back, hence its lavish use in royal heraldry. So “Aslan” went away the moment TSR decided to publish the Realms (mustn’t lift central characters from other authors, even in homage, though I did unwittingly [i.e. I’d forgotten] sneak one direct homage into the Realms [Aglarond, for Tolkien], and beat another well-known fantasy author to a name by coincidence, coining the name “Ashaba” for the river that runs through Shadowdale years before David Eddings used it in his Malloreon books). Lurue is my own invented name, but it started almost as the deity’s ‘private’ name, with “Silverymoon” being her popular one (and, yes, the city of the same name was originally envisaged as the root and center of her faith). Not only is Lurue the Unicorn of “the Lion and the Unicorn,” she’s also the mysterious, eponymous unicorn from the children’s book THE LITTLE WHITE HORSE by Elizabeth Goudge, AND she’s also meant to evoke the Unicorn of Amber, in Roger Zelazny’s classic Amber books (where the Unicorn inspires awe even among the jaded royal family who use her as their badge). She was always meant to be mysterious, and there’s very little about her that didn’t go into POWERS & PANTHEONS that doesn’t now contradict the published Realms. Originally, Lurue WAS magic—before Julia Martin added the name “Weave” to my GenCon explanations of ‘the great web of magic that’s everywhere in Toril, binds Toril together, and IS Toril,’ Lurue was the embodiment of the Weave. As such, she could teleport without error or limit, through all barriers and spells, was immune to all known magical [and psionic] effects, could raise dead, heal, regenerate and restore with the touch of her horn—and also spew silver fire from it—and so on. Her very proximity dispels illusions and curses, purifies and neutralizes poisons and taints, and purges diseases. And on and on. [To the usual chorus of “Look, yet another all-powerful Greenwood munchkin!” I reply: Yes. Of course. This is THE all-powerful goddess, and she’s also whimsical. We can’t understand why she does what she does, so she can’t be controlled, or act like any sort of tyrannical munchkin, any more than a mountain range or an ocean can be.] She tended to be as curious as a newborn babe, utterly fearless, and kind to injured creatures. And yes, I tucked in the “patron of virgins, but can also make barren wombs bear” folklore, too. Only virgins could ride her, and those who did got that silver hair the Chosen who are Mystra’s daughters all share, and ‘wild talent’ innate magical abilities, and were marked for special tasks and achievements all their lives. The TSR designers quite rightly (given the humanocentric core of that version of AD&D, with its level and power limits on non-humans) wanted human gods to be front and center and of the greatest power and importance, so Mystra (most important to intelligent creatures trying to USE magic) became also the Guardian or Mother of the Weave, and Lurue sort of . . . danced sideways. To become the awe-inspiring mystery she is now. Now, as for the Knights of the Unicorn, I do have more, but dare not pass it on right now for fear of trampling on something another creative person is already working on, in the Realms. That’s one rule I’m going to be very careful not to break, no matter how much we all want to delve into lore and secrets of the Realms. So: sorry, and I hope you’ll understand.
So saith Ed. Thy Hooded One can add this much: we Knights met Lurue once, in the High Forest, on the banks of the Unicorn Run. She was dancing on her hind legs on empty air, about forty feet off the ground, in full silvery moonlight -- and we all grovelled. She LOOKED into our eyes, each of us -- and Ed had written out long, detailed notes for each of us for the dream-visions we received then. When we awakened, we were all reinvigorated, healed of all hurts, had maximum charges in all of our magic items, and so on. The one virgin among us (no, I’m not going to name her, but it wasn’t my character, all you guessers) had been touched by Lurue’s horn, and her eyes were two flames of silver fire. Also, her hair had gone silver and moved constantly by itself, as if waves of wind were passing through it. She gained feather fall and water walk innate abilities on the spot, and ironguard as long as the silver fire was in her. It remained with her as we travelled, until we had to fight a certain archdevil in Myth Drannor. In that encounter, we were overwhelmed by devils and were going down, just being buried in numbers. The archdevil saw the silver fire and went straight for the particular Knight, and after they’d started to fight and the character was being badly mauled, the player (thank whatever gods there be) REMEMBERED Ed’s notes of her dream-vision, and what she had to do. She fled onto the altar beside the devil (that was also a gate into the Nine Hells), and when the archdevil attacked her there, she embraced it and let it slay her. And her silver fire went BLAM and took out altar, gate, archdevil, and all the other devils within a MILE, leaving all of us Knights lying dazed, unscathed, and alive . . . except she who’d sacrificed herself. She was gone forever. And at that moment, far away in Shadowdale, Storm Silverhand was helping a farm wife give birth to her first child, a girl—and it came out stillborn. Storm raised the tiny body to make absolutely sure before she wrapped it and turned to comfort the mother . . . and its eyes opened, and they were silver and knowing, and the mind of our lost Knight was in the now-living child and wondering how by Lurue to tell Storm who she was. Hmm. I’m crying again, just remembering it. Another of Ed’s beautiful little moments, that will make me treasure our Realmsplay forever.
Ladies and gentlesirs, I give you: the Realms! The Hooded One
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Rocheval
Acolyte
21 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 03:43:06
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Ah, so this is how the Knights destroyed the gate at Burial Glen, one their finest moments. Was wondering how they defeated such powerful foes or is this the same battle?
"They came in their battle-might to the Burial Glen, and destroyed the gate in a battle that saw the destruction of at least four pit fiends, a dozen or so gelugons, many "outcast" baatezu from Avernus, and the evil dragon consorts of Tiamat, ruler of that plane of the Hells." Campaign Guide to Myth Drannor, Page69. |
"I will vanish into the night; change my body to wood or stone; sink into the earth and walk through locked doors. I will be killed many times, yet will not die" excerpt from Ninja No Chigri (Way of the Tiger series) |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 14:52:56
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THO is female? I thought THO was Ed for the most part? Lord I'm confused...Sorry for offtopicness LOL |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 15:07:00
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THO, or the Lady Hooded One, is actually one of Ed’s players who is a member of the Knights of Myth Drannor campaign. We do not know which Knight though, and we've been told that THO will not say which character she is, so it's not worth asking.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 17:17:40
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You know, I really love that idea and depiction of Lurue. I would have SO much better liked that than Mystra. It adds an alienistic / naturistic quality to magic... a whimsy if you will. To that I can see even my bounty hunter Sleyvas willingly serving. Part of me would like to see her tak over an aspect of magic... but putting her over a certain school just doesn't make sense. I could also see her taking the role of the healer, but then that's Ilmater's job. However, wouldn't it be interesting for her to serve as a mount for Selune as she draws the stars across the night sky? Though not as a servitor per se, but more dancing across the night sky... ok, now I'm getting girly, but I think it would be wondrous, and magic should be wonder. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 17:58:38
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Lurue is my fave Realms deity, because I am a whimsical person, and because her nature suits mine. Here's part of her write-up from Powers and Pantheons (I've not got the book with me, just this blurb, so I can't post the page number):
quote: The Queen of Talking Beasts and Intelligent Creatures is often taken with wanderlust. She can be whimsical but is infinitely loyal once she takes someone into her trust, and she never abandons her worshippers in times of need. When faced with no other option that combat, Lurue is a dedicated and intractable foe, but she prefers light banter, clever riddles, new discoveries, and the joyous exploration of life.
The Unicorn is a symbol of hope, joy, salvation, and protection for the needy, forlorn, and forsaken. Life is to be relished and lived with laughter. Quests are to be taken on a dare and gifts are to be made on a whim. Impossible dreams are to be pursued for the sheer wonder of the possibility of their completion. Everyone, no matter how unique, is to be praised for their strengths and comforted in their weaknesses. Evil melts most quickly in the face of a rapier wit and unshackled joy. Search for the unicorn and in the pursuit find happiness.
Many of Lurue's clergy are adventurers who travel about the Realms seeking wrongs to right and finding a good balance of merriment, new experiences, and self-improvement in such a profession.
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 18:21:26
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I too are one that fall in love with Lurue after read the description of the deity in the Powers and Pantheons. I want, inclusive, use the Knights of the Unicorn in the background of one of my campaigns (It´s enough of Harpers everywhere, everytime... ) |
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Belthor
Seeker
USA
52 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 18:40:47
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This is fantastic information! I've recently started a cleric and chose Lurue based mostly on that small blurb about her and the personal preference to stay away from LG gharacters. She sounds not only amazing, but exactly what I hoped for in a Diety for my character. Thanks for the info. |
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