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Beppe63
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  15:11:23  Show Profile  Visit Beppe63's Homepage Send Beppe63 a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hello,

someone remember of any official human or half-human albinos in the Realms? And, in case, where I can find information about him/them (also novel)?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bye.

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I don't recall any specific mention of albino humans. There are albino dwarves though... They are a subterranean dwelling species.

The 2e Jungles of Chult resource has more.

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As I recall also, drow albinos are mentioned in Drow of the Underdark.

As for human albinos though... I suppose it's just as likely that for the humans in the Realms, the purely random nature of conception has allowed for the possibility of albinos to exist among the human gene pool.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

As I recall also, drow albinos are mentioned in Drow of the Underdark.




And there's an albino drow in city of the spider queen!

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I'm curious as to what brought up this question...

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Thelonius
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Albino drow? I've never heard such a thing. Is there any image or portrait about it?

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Well, there's the cover of City of the Spider Queen (which I seem to recall can be seen on Todd Lockwood's own website too), as well as this picture from the art gallery for the above-mentioned product.

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Now I am curious, how drow society, or whatever society would react in front of such an event? Can an albino drow hide in the surface as a normal elf? The charastericthic feat of a drow is his dark skin, ... so. If it's not that the white skin is "too white", if you know what I mean...

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quote:
Originally posted by Thelonius

Now I am curious, how drow society, or whatever society would react in front of such an event? Can an albino drow hide in the surface as a normal elf? The charastericthic feat of a drow is his dark skin, ... so. If it's not that the white skin is "too white", if you know what I mean...



In Lolthian society such Drow almost certainly would be killed as defective. Elistraee socity (the few that exist) would welcome I suspect though perhaps even there there might be discomfort with an inferior elf.
Surface Elven socitity I am uncertain, though lead to believe Gold would shum, Silver would be uneasy, Green perhaps let them take their chances.

An albino Drow will not look like a surface elf, though might be able to blend in with albino surface elves. The skin will be too light and eyes pink (if following Earth criteria for an Albino). All albinos not matter sub-race will aviod sunlight, because of sunburn risk. They will be creatures of the night or if going about in daylight heavely protected from the killing effects of sunlight. At least this is my understanding of it. Albinos can not tan they burn, IIRC their vision is impaired as well in light.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Edited by - Kentinal on 10 Oct 2005 21:25:47
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Thelonius
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Then it may be blinded, as drows is I am concerned, suffer some sun-blinding... If a drow has weak sun-light eyes, this combined with an albino weak sight will result as a blind, or at least day-blind drow...

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quote:
Originally posted by Thelonius

Then it may be blinded, as drows is I am concerned, suffer some sun-blinding... If a drow has weak sun-light eyes, this combined with an albino weak sight will result as a blind, or at least day-blind drow...



Well FR does have googles (i.e. glases) that could compensate for sun effects on vision. But Yes I would expect albino Drow indeed would be far more greatly sunlight impaired, perhaps blind without protection.

From web: http://www.answers.com/albino&r=67 offer many deffinitions with this comment on vision.

"albino (#259;lb#299;'n#333;) [Port.,=white], animal or plant lacking normal pigmentation. The absence of pigment is observed in the body covering (skin, hair, and feathers) and in the iris of the eye. The blood vessels of the retina show through the iris, giving it a pink or reddish color, and the eyes are highly sensitive to light. Albinism is inherited as a Mendelian recessive character (see Mendel; genetics) in humans and other animals."

One might argue any light source might be a problem without protection.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Sun-glasses of Faerun Very chick

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Dunkey
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 :  22:49:24  Show Profile  Visit Dunkey's Homepage Send Dunkey a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There was an albino drow in the Maztica series of novels. Also look in the Sembia series about Tazi and her adventures in Thay. I can't remember the name of the book at the moment.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dunkey

There was an albino drow in the Maztica series of novels. Also look in the Sembia series about Tazi and her adventures in Thay. I can't remember the name of the book at the moment.



You sure about that? I don't recall anything of that, but then it has been years since I read that trilogy.

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Kentinal
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Found at: http://www.enworld.org/archive/index.php/t-147456.html

" I had thought that mine was a completely original character concept, but after I had been playing my character for a few years on and off, I thumbed through the Maztica trilogy. One character in it was an albino drow posing as a surface elf... published before I had created the Loremistress, yet completely unbeknownst to me, since I had never read it or heard about it before. Great minds think alike?"

So it appears that indeed such was reported, though can not find direct source material.


"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Beppe63
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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 :  10:23:37  Show Profile  Visit Beppe63's Homepage Send Beppe63 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm curious as to what brought up this question...



I'm beginning a new campaign in FR and one of my player (human sorcerer) in his bkg portray his mentor as an albino, and before to create a totally new NPC I want to know if there was a know albino in FR to give him more flavour!

Bye.

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Fillow
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Does someone remember the elfic name for albino drows please ?

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They are called the szarkai wich means "ghost spiders" and are described in Drow of the Underdark. Apparently they are easily mistaken for surface elves, to answer the question above..well it's what the text says.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Duneth Despana

They are called the szarkai wich means "ghost spiders" and are described in Drow of the Underdark. Apparently they are easily mistaken for surface elves, to answer the question above..well it's what the text says.



Which Drow of the Underdark? It's not the FOR2 one.

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quote:
Drow vary in shape, features, and hair
color as greatly as humans do. The only
exception to this rule is their uniformly
jet-black skin (the few exceptions tend to
be bone-white albinos).



Drow of the Underdark FRO2, page 5.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus

quote:
Drow vary in shape, features, and hair
color as greatly as humans do. The only
exception to this rule is their uniformly
jet-black skin (the few exceptions tend to
be bone-white albinos).



Drow of the Underdark FRO2, page 5.



That I found. Not the szarkai and ghost spider bits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Tyranthraxus

quote:
Drow vary in shape, features, and hair
color as greatly as humans do. The only
exception to this rule is their uniformly
jet-black skin (the few exceptions tend to
be bone-white albinos).



Drow of the Underdark FRO2, page 5.



That I found. Not the szarkai and ghost spider bits.

That's because those names actually come from the 3.5 Drow of the Underdark tome for core D&D.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fillow

Does someone remember the elfic name for albino drows please ?




Elric?

Didn't Ed mention at one time that before adopting the Realms to TSR he had a race of pale subterranean elves instead of the drow?
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Yes he did.

Ed's originals were 'white', and thats why he gave them a nod when he wrote 2e's DotU. There is also an evil, white-skinned raced of Sea-Elves called Marel, which are sometimes (wrongly) called Sea-Drow.

I suppose someone with that skintone might be taken for a Shade, these days.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Yes he did.

Ed's originals were 'white', and thats why he gave them a nod when he wrote 2e's DotU.


And here's the quote!

quote:
Ed makes reply this time to this Wooly Rupert query: “Was the Underdark always part of the Realms, or was it something that was added later? Ditto for drow: did the Realms always have dark elves, or were they a later addition? And if dark elves in the Realms pre-dated drow, what were they like?”
Ed speaks:



The Realms always had multi-layered underground “realms atop realms,” though I called them “the Realms Below” or “the Deep Realms” (the latter being a dwarven term for their kingdoms, that humans had corrupted into applying more broadly to all subterranean lands), with glowing fungi, underground glowing magical radiations (that among other things made mosses, lichens, and myconids grow with incredible speed), lava flows, convection currents (deep to near-surface and back again) among water flows, fungi that derived nutrients from the waters and cleaned them of creature dung and taints in the process . . . and so on. I just hadn’t coined or heard of the later (TSR, Greyhawk) term “Underdark,” and so didn’t apply it to my underworld. (You may someday see more of my original subterranean lands concepts in a novel or novels from another publisher, BTW, though that’s very much still “up in the air.”)
The Realms always had subterranean-dwelling (with fortified “forward bases” on the surface, e.g. the Twisted Tower of Ashaba), evil, jaded, and sophisticated elven families - - very much akin to the Borgias or to the drow houses as we first saw them in the series of modules that were much later collected and updated as Queen of the Spiders, though mine were neither dark-skinned nor called either “drow” or “dark elves” (exception: in certain ballads that I penned circa 1970-72, they were POETICALLY referred to as “dark,” meaning fell or evil rather than skin pigmentation, which I envisaged as dead-pale pearly white). My subterranean elves needed foodstuffs, wood, and textiles from the surface, and so had to trade (gems, magic [especially potions], poison antidotes derived from underground plants, fungi and potent cordials made from fermented fungi) with certain bold and unscrupulous surface-world merchants, for such needs.
I saw my elf houses (the Starym, retreated from Myth Drannor, among them) as haughty esthetes who viewed dwarves as their true foes, gnomes as degenerate dwarves, and humans, halflings, orcs, and all crossbreeds as “children” so far beneath elves in their intelligence and cultural development as to be dismissed as little better than animals able to follow instructions (hence, ideal slaves who could be collected, bred for traits, experimented upon with herbs, poisons, magic, and surgeries, hunted or used in races, fights, and other sports for amusement / entertainment / betting purposes, and so on).
As you can see, once the Code of Ethics swept away most of the nastier details of how my under-elves treated other races, all of this could easily be squared with the “official” D&D drow, when the Realms became an official TSR setting.
I eventually had great fun doing the Menzoberranzan boxed set, especially the maps and spells, and still consider Bob Salvatore’s HOMELAND a “classic” fantasy novel, not just one of the best (if not THE best; I recently described Rich Baker’s THE FORSAKEN HOUSE as the best-written Realms book yet, but that’s not quite the same thing) Realms novel. (Please note that neither is my personal favourite; though it’s hard to pick just one title for that honour, I still best love going back to Elaine’s ELFSHADOW every so often.)


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Again, another reason why I would love to see a 1000 page tome entitled "The Realms of Ed Greenwood". With very small writing and a few choise pencil illustrations done according to Ed.

Well, at least I can dream.
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Yes... I think that ship has sailed. Every scenario I can imagine wherein Ed gets control of the Realms back is farfetched pipe-dreams.

I think by examining some of Ed's other worlds - both gaming and novel - and looking at what he has done in other settings (like Golarion), we can get a glimpse of the amazing mind of Ed Greenwood, and "what might have been".

And thats as close as we are going to get...

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quote:
Originally posted by Beppe63

Hello,

someone remember of any official human or half-human albinos in the Realms? And, in case, where I can find information about him/them (also novel)?

Thanks in advance for any help.



In the anthology Halls of Stormweather, Clayton Emery's short story "Night School" includes albino sisters who are apprentice mages, Magdon and Ophelia. Magdon also shows up in the last of the Stormweather books, Lord of Stormweather.

"Night School" can be found online on Mr. Emery's website here:

http://www.claytonemery.com/NightSchool.html
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JC Denton
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there are actually many different kinds of albinism in humans, some with impairments and some without, same for white hair and red eyes
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Actually, albinism always produces visual problems, which are due to poorly-developed retina (due to lack of melanin in it) and abnormal nerve connections. There is occular albinism, which affects only the eyes on an otherwise normally-pigmented person, and the visible indications of albinism range all the way to "classic" Type A, with cornflower or lavender eyes (not pink for eyes as large as a human's, unless light reflects directly out of them, like red-eye in a photo), pale skin, and white or cornsilk hair.

Check out albinism on Wikipedia. Even better, NOAH (National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation) has some great info, along with forums where you can read stuff straight from people who actually have albinism, and talk with them. "People with albinism always have problems with vision (not correctable with eyeglasses) and many have low vision. The degree of vision impairment varies with the different types of albinism and many people with albinism are “legally blind,” but most use their vision for many tasks including reading and do not use Braille. Some people with albinism have sufficient vision to drive a car. Vision problems in albinism result from abnormal development of the retina and abnormal patterns of nerve connections between the eye and the brain. It is the presence of these eye problems that defines the diagnosis of albinism. Therefore the main test for albinism is simply an eye examination. " (from NOAH's site, specifically "What is Albinism?," emphasis mine) I'm not trying to chew on anyone, I've just long found the subject fascinating and so much research is available nowadays, with the Net .

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