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Kianna
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 02:14:54
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Ummm...what's up with the fu-man-chu wearing drow in 2E???
Which is not the only place I have seen that style facial hair on the drow. Ever played Champions of Norath?
Who was responsible for that travesty anyway? They should be flogged!
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 02:22:17
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| Elves generaly do not have hair in certain places, however there have been exceptions with all sub-races. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 02:35:25
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Interesting topic...
Elves do have facial hair, but they age so slowly that facial hair do not appear on them. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 02:50:06
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I've largely interpreted this to be a setting-specific element.
In DRAGONLANCE for example, and according to the novels, Loralon, who lived in Istar and was an advisor to the Kingpriest before being banished back to Silvanost, was so old that he actually had long, wispy white hair on his face. Not a beard per se, but most unusual for an elf, unless they are quite old, as is the case here.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 02:51:58
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I discussed this with Ed hmmm earlier this year I believe and he said yes elves can have facial hair. :)
Edit: It was December 30th of last year actually. :) |
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Edited by - Kuje on 04 Oct 2005 02:58:35 |
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 02:58:00
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But do you think it looks good?
It's sorta strange to me, especially when its only depicted on drow elves AND its made a point in DragonLance that Tanis has a beard because he's a half elf and elves don't grow them and so forth and so on AND its NEVER mentioned (as far as I know) anywhere else except in photos from 2E.
Why can't we keep them hairless in the face? Dwarves have that beard thing down already. Just my two cents though.... |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 03:01:57
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 03:05:09
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Originally posted by Kianna
It's sorta strange to me, especially when its only depicted on drow elves AND its made a point in DragonLance that Tanis has a beard because he's a half elf and elves don't grow them and so forth and so on AND its NEVER mentioned (as far as I know) anywhere else except in photos from 2E.
As I said, Krynnish elves (and by these I mean Silvanesti elves) cannot grow beards, but they can form wisps of fine facial hair, as was the case with Loralon.
There's been some limited speculation that some male Qualinesti elves (due to the fact that there is human blood in their ancestry) can develop beard-like hair around the chin -- but it's never been noted in the novels.
As for other elves with facial hair... there's an elf in 3e RAVENLOFT who sports a rather full and extensive beard. But given the changes to the 3e cosmology, we can no longer be certain which world this particular elf came from, if any. He may have been born in the Domains of Dread.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 03:17:14
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| I know I'll always have elves with no facial hair even though they can grow facial hair in FR. :) I guess I just prefer them that way. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 03:21:48
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| I did have a theory at one time that perhaps drow might be slightly more prone to facial hair due to the demonic blood WAY back in their lineage, but thats only wild speculation. I know of course that some elves can, but its not common, and as was pointed out, that mustachioed drow from 2e kept popping up over and over again, lol. |
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Kianna
Learned Scribe
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 03:24:27
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| HA! I just had the greatest picture in my mind of a handle-bar mustache wearing demon....Thats rich! |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 03:38:31
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 05:27:29
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Originally posted by Kuje
I know I'll always have elves with no facial hair even though they can grow facial hair in FR. :) I guess I just prefer them that way.
Normally, I would agree.
Although considering what Ed has said, I would probably allow elves with facial hair in my campaigns if I felt that such an aspect would add to the character of a particular elven NPC that the party may be interacting with.
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 06:42:54
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| I've read from holy books of Tolkien that atleast Cirdan the Shipwright had a small moustache.I don't remember if this is in the final works or one of the earlier writings, that didn't go to the final works. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 11:30:06
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The most classic picture of an elf with facial hair is the Drow in the Complete Book of Elves... not only is it huge, but you know that guy takes time grooming it. I'm telling you, Drow are vain!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 20:36:13
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I believe it is thanks to that picture that the old male drow elf models in Neverwinter Nights had those ridiculous mustaches. 
I have not actually seen that picture yet (!) so I can't say for sure, but I've heard that "mustache" is really just smoke that looks like a mustache. *shrug*
I try not to really on art too much. Remember the Dweomerkeeper of Mystra in F&P who, for no apparent reason, looks like an elf? Even though elves can't be Dweomerkeepers, according to that very book? People told me "Oh, he shapechanged!" but the hell? Why not just draw a picture of a troll then? |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 22:09:08
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Well, interior D&D art has always been a bit crazy... but it did hit its best around 89-94. I think with the coming of 2E and the Complete books - it just got crazy.
And, Rinonalyrna, There is a Drow in Neverwinter Nights: HotU that has a blantant stache... He is one of the guys who talks to the Valsharess.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 22:34:07
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, interior D&D art has always been a bit crazy... but it did hit its best around 89-94. I think with the coming of 2E and the Complete books - it just got crazy.
And, Rinonalyrna, There is a Drow in Neverwinter Nights: HotU that has a blantant stache... He is one of the guys who talks to the Valsharess.
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One of the good drow (that commander) has a mustache as well. :/ |
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