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KnightErrantJR
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 Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 00:10:16
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I was just wondering about this topic. Part of it is spawned by looking at the Banewarrens adventure of Monte Cook's, and it got me to thinking about places in the Realms that important and dangerous things are stored.
I thought of the Harper's vault that Khelbun raided for the Scepter of the Sorcerer Kings, and the Elven High Mage Towers on Evermeet, and even the Demiplane of Fear that Dwalimor Omen used in the FR comic book.
Can anyone else think of any places in the Realms that are used for storing evil/dangerous magic, and how things might end up getting out of them. For some reason this idea is catching my fancy right now.
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Kuje
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 00:14:04
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| The Naturalist Guild in Myth Drannor. :) They loved storing monsters and some should still be there. |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 00:17:45
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| Yeah, I seem to remember that from the Old Grey Boxed Set . . . and that reminds me, how many of these storage places do you suppose have gems or other items that might have some nasty Outsiders or other creatures within them (heck, Savras was trapped in a magic item for YEARS). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 02:21:01
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- There's the warehouse at the north end of Turnback Court in Waterdeep. 'Tis said to hide a number of powerful magical items and is owned possibly by the Harpers, or the Red Sashes, or an arm of the Lords Alliance. There's some thought that it is controlled by a cabal of wizards.
- In Cormyr, just west of Dhedluk, there's Meliyekur's Magical Museum -- an old manor house that was turned into a museum/storehouse dealing with all kinds of magical items.
- The Storm Dragon House in Raven's Bluff. Most of its trade is fairly standard, but Ravenian authories regularly check the storehouse for suspect magical items or equipment bearing enchantments from Red Wizards.
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Kuje
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 02:24:19
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Yeah, I seem to remember that from the Old Grey Boxed Set . . . and that reminds me, how many of these storage places do you suppose have gems or other items that might have some nasty Outsiders or other creatures within them (heck, Savras was trapped in a magic item for YEARS).
Many of them will especially since many of the Netheril mages put themselves into magical items according to Ed. Mystra has done the same to some of her past Magisters. :) I still love that sentient tankard that was once a Magister. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 02:59:59
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There's a very large warehouse in Waterdeep, where the Lords keep all sorts of powerful artifacts locked away in plain wooden crates...  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 03:01:53
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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MuadDib
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 10:35:43
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| There's that treasure room come vault in Cormyr's Palace...mentioned in Elminster in Hell I think... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 11:19:45
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Why am I suddenly put in mind of Raider of the Lost Ark?
...Because that was the joke I was making?  |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 13:58:17
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Don't the wizards of Thay have some major vault that they stick a lot of things into? Hence where they kept that crazy Demon they summoned... Eltab, right? Wasn't he stuck under there in some storage unit?
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ShadowJack
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 14:26:16
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| I thought that the wards that kept Eltab locked away was the pattern of the streets or canals of the city. It makes sense that there would be a large underground chamber where he was "safely" installed... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 14:39:48
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Don't the wizards of Thay have some major vault that they stick a lot of things into? Hence where they kept that crazy Demon they summoned... Eltab, right? Wasn't he stuck under there in some storage unit?
C-Fb
Thaymount. It is where the Red Wizards store many of their crafted items and devices prior to transport to their distant trading enclaves.
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 14:47:39
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Originally posted by ShadowJack
I thought that the wards that kept Eltab locked away was the pattern of the streets or canals of the city. It makes sense that there would be a large underground chamber where he was "safely" installed...
The city of Eltabbar is actually built in the form of a glyph. The streets and canals and roadways combined to create the immense binding symbol that kept Eltab imprisoned beneath the city itself. It's not so much a chamber beneath Eltabbar, but rather an arcane prison.
Of course, Eltab is now free...
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 16:45:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Of course, Eltab is now free...
There goes most of eastern Faerun........... |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 17:53:06
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Does that mean renovations to Eltabbar screwed up the glyph or did Eltab just manage to find a way out of the prison? I don't remember it specifically mentioning how he actually escaped in Champions of Ruin.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 18:31:05
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Does that mean renovations to Eltabbar screwed up the glyph or did Eltab just manage to find a way out of the prison? I don't remember it specifically mentioning how he actually escaped in Champions of Ruin.
C-Fb
It was in the novel the crimson gold. A stupid red wizard actually freed him. I can`t remember her motives but I do know that she was a complete idiot. |
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Amraz one arm
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 18:35:26
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| Well, it was Szass Tam who released him. I had something to do with artifacts, another lich named larloch and a good case of megalomania on his part. Trying to control a demon prince sounds lika a recipe for big trouble anyday. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 20:25:48
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Crimson Gold? I've never heard of that novel - in fact I am unfamiliar with a lot of novels dealing with the Red Wizards in general... I would ask for a list, but that would not be in this thread.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 23:21:46
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Eltab is introduced and freed and reimprisoned in the adventures Throne of Deceit and Runes of Chaos that are found in the 2e Spellbound book (dealing with Thay, Rashemen, and Aglarond). The basic premise is that Tam wants to rule all of Thay, and he's got an artifact that can allow him to permanently enslave another being. So he frees Eltab (demon prince) from his prison beneath Eltabbar and promptly reimprisons him on Thakorsil's Seat. He then needs to perform nine rituals over nine months to permanently and irrevocably enslave Eltab.
That's where the party comes in: they're hot on the heels of all this conspiracy, and, as plotted, show up in the ritual chamber just before Tam does for the ninth time. It is strongly suggested that the adventurers shatter the bindings (any damage does so), and then RUN while Eltab and Tam duke it out to a stalemate. Eltab returns to the Abyss, and Tam's plans are ruined for the time being.
I haven't read Crimson Gold, so I can't comment on that.
As a point of note, my players, once again, changed the intended ending when I ran them through it. They used a weirdstone (sometimes I give my players magical items just to watch what they do with them) to block all teleportation, then freed Eltab in such as way that Tam thought an underling did it. Eltab and Tam fought until Tam was destroyed (and his spirit fled to rise another day), and then my party charged out and killed the severely weakened Eltab before he could figure out that he couldn't return to the Abyss. End result: Tam gone for a month or so (and unaware the players did it), and Eltab permanently dead. I love my group. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 23:25:47
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Getting back to the original topic, there's always the Nameless Dungeon where some of Aryvandaar's nastier magical items (and, apartently, a bunch of Siluvanaedan fey'ri) were imprisoned for thousands of years.
Probably the greatest storehouse of magical goods and knowledge are the Vaults of Uvaeren, the ancient elven empire in what is now Mistledale. The nation of magical scholars was destroyed by comet impact, but their vaults still survive. It was mentioned in the Fall of Myth Drannor sourcebook that if the Army of Darkness had been able to get its hands on the Vaults, then Myth Drannor's life span could have been measured in hours. Wonder what all is in there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 02:18:39
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Does that mean renovations to Eltabbar screwed up the glyph or did Eltab just manage to find a way out of the prison? I don't remember it specifically mentioning how he actually escaped in Champions of Ruin.
C-Fb
It was in the novel the crimson gold. A stupid red wizard actually freed him. I can`t remember her motives but I do know that she was a complete idiot.
See the UNAPPROACHABLE EAST tome for more details surrounding Eltab, his release, and the bindings that once kept him imprisoned.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 02:24:22
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| So, singling out one of the things that caught my attention, did any other source besides the FR comics ever mention the Demiplane of Fear? |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 04:38:52
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In the Netheril boxed set it says that several Neth archmages exploring the planes blundered into the Demiplane of Imprisonment (another name for Ravenloft, the Demiplane of Dread) and were subsequently imprisoned. Which raises the question: how many domains have Neth lords? Not that they're leaving any time soon.
Also in the novel Vampire of the Mists (or maybe "in the Mists"), Jander Sunstart goes from Faerun to Ravenloft. |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 10:50:00
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| I'm doubting that the Demiplane of Fear was connected to Ravenloft, only because Omen opened a portal, threw the Hand of Vaprak in, then closed the portal. Interesting that the Netherese blundered onto that, however. |
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 13:30:53
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In Player´s Guide to Faerûn, is mentioned that the Kaliesherai order of Evereska have the most complete vaults of itens and knowledge about psionics.... without mention the illithids, of course
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 13:36:33
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How exactly does one get a hand of Vaprak? I mean, I know he'll just grow another one if it gets cut off, but a hand from a god can't be too common, eh?
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 13:38:13
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Getting back to the original topic, there's always the Nameless Dungeon where some of Aryvandaar's nastier magical items (and, apartently, a bunch of Siluvanaedan fey'ri) were imprisoned for thousands of years.
Probably the greatest storehouse of magical goods and knowledge are the Vaults of Uvaeren, the ancient elven empire in what is now Mistledale. The nation of magical scholars was destroyed by comet impact, but their vaults still survive. It was mentioned in the Fall of Myth Drannor sourcebook that if the Army of Darkness had been able to get its hands on the Vaults, then Myth Drannor's life span could have been measured in hours. Wonder what all is in there.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 16:10:51
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Not a problem, glad to be of service (though I regret to inform you I'm male).
And, to the best of my knowledge, the Demiplanes of Dread, Fear, and Imprisonment all descripe exactly the same place: what we know as the campaign world of Ravenloft. But that was back in 2e, no knowing how 3e mucked it up. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:23:12
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Who knows since Ravenloft became a third party campaign setting, and from what I hear it is now reverted back to Wizards... crazy world. Ravenloft is becoming the red-headed stepchild.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:29:15
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Not a problem, glad to be of service (though I regret to inform you I'm male).
And, to the best of my knowledge, the Demiplanes of Dread, Fear, and Imprisonment all descripe exactly the same place: what we know as the campaign world of Ravenloft. But that was back in 2e, no knowing how 3e mucked it up.
Nope: Fear was something else entirely. What it was, exactly, was never made clear. I was always of the opinion that it was a pocket dimension with a pretentious name. |
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