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Kuje
Great Reader
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 Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:24:22
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So I've been thinking, because some posters were discussing it with me, what laborers would all of you like to see? Instead of me picking and choosing from my list.
Artists and musicians have been brought to my attention and I was pondering what other laborer NPC's people might want detailed for thier use.
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 23 Sep 2005 22:36:33
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:28:04
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| Horses are near and dear to many people in the Realms . . . stablehands, breeders and the like perhaps? |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:32:21
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| I really would like to see archivist's, they way they handle the "official" documents and theyr similitudes with the wizard storing ones would be interesting, of course only an opinion. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:33:55
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| BTW, my suggestion in no way is meant to ignore Irymil . . . I was thinking of more mundane horses than Evermeets fabled steeds, lol. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:43:51
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Horses are near and dear to many people in the Realms . . . stablehands, breeders and the like perhaps?
Stablehands and breeders. Got it and added to my notes. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:45:03
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Originally posted by Thelonius
I really would like to see archivist's, they way they handle the "official" documents and theyr similitudes with the wizard storing ones would be interesting, of course only an opinion.
Not sure I know what you meant.... So like record keepers basically? :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 20:49:27
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Thelonius
I really would like to see archivist's, they way they handle the "official" documents and theyr similitudes with the wizard storing ones would be interesting, of course only an opinion.
Not sure I know what you meant.... So like record keepers basically? :)
Scholars archive the documents abouts faiths, or the sages archive the ones about spells or arcane knowledge, but how about offical documents? Taxes, land deeds, fines... this informationis is about to be kept somewhere and by some specific laborers who don't work for clerics or wizard, do they? |
"If you are to truly understand, then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single ideal." - Kreia
"I THINK I JUST HAD ANOTHER NEAR-RINCEWIND EXPERIENCE"- Discworld's Death frustrated after Rincewind scapes his grasp... again.
"I am death, come for thee" - Nimbul, from Baldur's Gate I just before being badly spanked
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 21:01:08
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Originally posted by Thelonius
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Thelonius
I really would like to see archivist's, they way they handle the "official" documents and theyr similitudes with the wizard storing ones would be interesting, of course only an opinion.
Not sure I know what you meant.... So like record keepers basically? :)
Scholars archive the documents abouts faiths, or the sages archive the ones about spells or arcane knowledge, but how about offical documents? Taxes, land deeds, fines... this informationis is about to be kept somewhere and by some specific laborers who don't work for clerics or wizard, do they?
Aye, so record keepers. :) But record keepers that keep taxes, deeds, fines, etc. :) Gotcha. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 22:56:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Sages are always good. 
Noted. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 00:12:35
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Most Learned Kuje,
One of my favorite heros from early Ohio history is a frontiersman by the name of Simon Kenton... What about some info on a rough and tumble frontier (Silver Marches?) rancher/farmer/explorer/settler type of person... Just a thought, a small group of intrepid souls carving out there home in the wilder lands of Faerun... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 00:42:01
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Most Learned Kuje,
One of my favorite heros from early Ohio history is a frontiersman by the name of Simon Kenton... What about some info on a rough and tumble frontier (Silver Marches?) rancher/farmer/explorer/settler type of person... Just a thought, a small group of intrepid souls carving out there home in the wilder lands of Faerun...
Added to my list. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 02:08:23
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Originally posted by Kuje
Artists and musicians have been brought to my attention and I was pondering what other laborer NPC's people might want detailed for thier use.
Actually, thinking about this... and given my work on a series covering art and music in the Realms for the Compendium... we might consider having some crossover between the two articles.
Perhaps, you could detail the NPCs, and I'd cover their perspective works in my article.
What do you think?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 02:44:03
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Originally posted by Kuje
Artists and musicians have been brought to my attention and I was pondering what other laborer NPC's people might want detailed for thier use.
Actually, thinking about this... and given my work on a series covering art and music in the Realms for the Compendium... we might consider having some crossover between the two articles.
Perhaps, you could detail the NPCs, and I'd cover their perspective works in my article.
What do you think?
I've been pondering that ever since one of the WOTC posters brought up artists and musicians but until you got your info from Ed, I wasn't going to ask if you wanted to do a joint article. :) Plus I didn't want to step on anyones toes. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 24 Sep 2005 02:46:21 |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 03:25:29
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 05:36:40
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How's about the folks who really know what's going on in any settlement of any size?
The lamplighters and "torch boys" who guide paying clients safely from tavern to tavern and home again, always whispering who said what to whom and how and whyfore....
The dungsweepers and refuse-collectors, who can tell you much of what goes on behind closed-doors merely by what they sweep and shovel out of the streets the next day...
The carriage drivers who see a lot more than the rear of the horses in front of them....
This ought to be an interesting read when it's ready... |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 06:11:03
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
How's about the folks who really know what's going on in any settlement of any size?
The lamplighters and "torch boys" who guide paying clients safely from tavern to tavern and home again, always whispering who said what to whom and how and whyfore....
The dungsweepers and refuse-collectors, who can tell you much of what goes on behind closed-doors merely by what they sweep and shovel out of the streets the next day...
The carriage drivers who see a lot more than the rear of the horses in front of them....
This ought to be an interesting read when it's ready...
I already made the first ten, if you didn't know. :) It's in Compendium 2 and I hope to make this a article for each Compendium. And thanks, I didn't think of lamp lighters or carriage drivers. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 24 Sep 2005 06:24:30 |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 09:33:40
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What I want to see? As a business student, all things about trade, of course! 
a complete "value chain", take for example...
- what things farmers produce near waterdeep (and in another follow-up article, how it is produced - in detail please!)
- how a merchant collects that produce from individual farmers, making his round trip to several farms in the hinterlands,
- whom he sells that to (another merchant or trading company), or if he directly travels back to waterdeep to sell it to the ultimate consumer
- how it finally arrives on the cooks table in a tavern, or the kitchen of a noble/rich/well-to-do/poor household.
the same could be done for goods made of metal: a complete value chain beginning with the mine where the ore comes from, the caravan(s) which transports it to the next market, the smith who buys it there and makes it into a new sword or shovel.
even more interesting to me are material components for magic users:
- who collects them, and how? this alone is a huge field: some farmers might plant small patches of very rare herbs, or collect wild-growing plants in the near woods, mountains or "wilderness", or - my favourite and the variant iīm most curious about - small bands of "monster hunters" (adventurers) who "harvest" parts from monstrous creatures: beholder eyestalks, finger knuckles of archwizards, hairs from wraiths, dragon scales,... all those things donīt just lie about! (the "ecology of..." series featuring the monster hunters association in dragon went along that lines, but they used most things for themselves, so thereīs no value chain to speak of.)
- who buys those things from them? powerful magic using indivuduals (archwizards, temples) might directly hire those people to procure rare components for them, but I think most would buy them from middlemen. Iīd very much like to see such a middleman ("component broker/trader") detailed! take one small business in waterdeep or, say, arabel (any other sufficient large city is ok) and show us his customer base as well as his list of suppliers, some of his trading agreements, etc... not unlike edīs series about the sembian merchant...
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 18:43:29
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Kuje, it was volume 3.
Steven's idea is a good one. I also like the idea of the supplier of spell components. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 19:23:58
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Not knowning whom the first 10 were it becomes hard to expand the list.
The list of trades that keep a realm working can be very specialised. A gold smith was not the same as a lead worker, though from the outside many would look at them the same (metal workers).
The base inductries include ditch digging, stone work, farming, fishing, boat building, net making, paper makers (or paracment), other tanners, glass blowers, gen cutters, ale wives or brewers, wood smiths, foresters, bee keepers, canal makers and so on though the many things that a PC looks to buy made by somebody. Some of the things I listed might more be secondary tasks instead of a primary one. Many people would know how to make a candle (at least I infer so) though fewer know how to make wax or wicks that burn well for the size of the candle.
As for a laborers of the realm, I am not sure any would make a dedicated effort to gather all of the posible compoents that might be desired. Some are very common items that a silver smith might throw away, bat dung could be collecte by others, and so on. The idea that a non spell caster even knowing what would have extra value is sold to a spell cater also appears unlikely for things that cost less then one gold and few could aguire the 5,000 gold items without themselves being an adventurer.
Clearly in the Realms are Wise women (people) Herbalists, Nuatral healers, woods people. Including carcoal makers and peat cutters.
All in all eery Craft (foo) and every Profession (foo) could be expended, with many Knowledge (foo) as well as a laborer. Many of them broken down into subcatagories as well. The focus I infer would be concentration of the more interesting ones first. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Sep 2005 : 19:34:37
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Kuje, it was volume 3.
Steven's idea is a good one. I also like the idea of the supplier of spell components.
Your right #3, sorry. :) |
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