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warlockco
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 06:10:40
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Originally posted by warlockco
Just noticed that for Tethyr the automatic human language is Chondathan instead of Tethyrian, and Tethyrian isn't even listed as a bonus language.
This don't make sense at all.
Am I missing something? 
Yep, you are.
There is a Chondathan race and a Chondathan language (derived I believe from the old Thorass). There is a Tethyrian race but no Tethyrian language. Hope that helps.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 06:51:58
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by warlockco
Just noticed that for Tethyr the automatic human language is Chondathan instead of Tethyrian, and Tethyrian isn't even listed as a bonus language.
This don't make sense at all.
Am I missing something?
Yep, you are.
There is a Chondathan race and a Chondathan language (derived I believe from the old Thorass). There is a Tethyrian race but no Tethyrian language. Hope that helps.
-- George Krashos
But there is a Tethyrian language per the Player's Guide to Faerun. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 07:05:30
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| So there is, in the Western Heartlands region, and it's also mentioned in at least one of the sample-NPC descriptions in the LEoF prestige classes. Someone's been snoring on their continuity-watch it'd seem. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 07:16:01
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Ah that's what I get for writing answers on the fly from work. This languages stuff has become something of a lernean hydra! There simply shouldn't be (IMHO) a Tethyrian language - there quite rightly should be a Tethyrian dialect of Common (incorporating alzhedo terms and some of the Talfirian language) but Tethyrian just doesn't go. Hmm, I'll have a look at the PGtF tonight ...
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 07:20:35
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Ah that's what I get for writing answers on the fly from work. This languages stuff has become something of a lernean hydra! There simply shouldn't be (IMHO) a Tethyrian language - there quite rightly should be a Tethyrian dialect of Common (incorporating alzhedo terms and some of the Talfirian language) but Tethyrian just doesn't go. Hmm, I'll have a look at the PGtF tonight ...
-- George Krashos
I just took a quick look at all the Human Regions.
Only the Western Heartlands has it listed.
So I'm inclined to thinking it is one of the infamous WotC mistakes.... |
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3catcircus
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Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 17:20:38
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Is Thomas M. Costa's "Speaking in Tongues" considered canon, even though 3.x was dumbed-down?
If so, then the languages of the Western Heartlanders is Thorasta while the language of Amnians, Tethyrians, and Erlkazarans is Thorass. There are four primary dialects of Thorass: Amnian, Old/Court Tethyrian, Zazzesspurian/Western Tethyrian, and Erlkazaran/East Tethyrian.
Chondathan (true Chondathan) is the language of Chondathans and Blade Kingdomers.
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Sep 2005 : 20:45:45
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Hi,
According to Races of Faerūn (RoF), most Tethyrians speak Common as their primary language (usually a singsong dialect known as Calant), but they speak also Chondathan. Furthermore, there is no ancestral "Tethyrian" tongue as Talfir and other languages of the original western tribes vanished long ago.
For more details, see the Tethyrian ethnic group section, and specially the Language and Literacy entry in page 104.
"Table 7 - 1: Human Ethnic Groups, by Nation or Region" in RoF (page 110 - 111) lists Chondathan as the primary language for the following heavely Tethyrian-populated regions: Amn, Tethyr, Waterdeep, Western Heartlands.
Please note that I do not have Players Guide to Faerūn.
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 15 Sep 2005 : 15:10:26
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| My old Speaking in Tongues article is circa 2E. Sean Reynolds said he started with it when he worked up the 3E language list, but the decision was obviously made to simplify -- which probably was a good decision. Most of the dialect references in my article are probably still fine -- in fact, many of the dropped languages could easily become dialects. All that said, the languages were changed so much, I don't know that I would reference my article for too much. That is to say, it was canon. It clearly ain't now. |
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