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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 00:00:53
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I finally got a chance to look throught the Kenzer & Co. Hackjammer product out of curiosity, and its actually interesting in this respect. According to their revised version of this system, space is infinate from inside of "hackspace" (Wildspace for all of us that remember it). There are natural portals and means of making portals in "hackspace" that lead to the Phlogiston (vaguely like my reality storm idea from way back). So if you never make a portal, and you never find a natural one, you can probably travel infinately across the universe.
From the Phlogiston, things are much more like the way we remember them. Individual systems are segregated inside of Crystal Spheres that are only visible from the Phlogiston.
I thought this was a simle solution to the questions a lot of us have had, though it doesn't really give you any of the deep philosophical questions about the links between planes and what the phlogiston is and the like, but its an interesting compromise.
I must admit I only looked a bit of the book at the Hobby Shop (no matter how interesting a solution, I don't want to spend money on the system when I have no intention of using it). Anyone have any ideas about this, and has anyone spent more time looking at this than I did (about 15 min or so, lol)?
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 00:50:57
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Well, I'll tell you in about 2 days, since the info you mentioned will be relayed to my wife and she will want that product immediately. My wife is smitten with Wildspace and all things Spelljammer (even has a tattoo of the SJ on her shoulder). So, once I tell her, she will take our hard earned money and purchase it. Thanks for the help, KEJR!  She's been looking for a 3e update!
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 01:00:02
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| hackjammer isn't 3e. It's based on 1e and 2e. :) I'm still trying to get this locally but I'll probably end up ordering it online since my local shops suck latly. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 01:19:40
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| I dunno... I don't think I like it. The reason the worlds were put in different spheres and thus isolated from each other was so that things like missing constellations could happen... To me, the infinite space approach actually detracts from the idea, by making it more real-world. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 01:56:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I dunno... I don't think I like it. The reason the worlds were put in different spheres and thus isolated from each other was so that things like missing constellations could happen...
Indeed. Having infinite space would make the changes that have occured to Krynnspace meaningless -- to say nothing of what Takhisis wrought when she "stole" to world nearly isolating it from the rest of the multiverse.
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To me, the infinite space approach actually detracts from the idea, by making it more real-world.
Again true. The entire prospect of SJ will become some more akin to Dragonstar or Star*Drive... whereby it could become fashionable to simply travel the infinite spaceways to your next destination.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 02:27:00
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Well - I'd rather just keep to the good ole 2e Spelljammer. It was my favorite campaign setting (besides FR, of course). I thought there were a great many possibilities and the ships were cool. I also liked the Elven Imperial Navy. Also, I liked the whole idea of the phlogistan. Oh well, it probably will never get re-stated for 3e... guess I'll have to get my 2e books out. :)
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 04:12:23
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Hey, I have not problem with this, the only reason I still look for such things is that when you read the Erevis Cale books, for example, its pretty obvious that the Sojourner is referring to infinate space when he is looking out over the stars. And actually, maybe we look at things differently Sage, but I kinda saw Takhisis moving Krynn as supportive of the infinate space idea, since it didn't really mention her shifting realities or the like . . .
Keep in mind though guys, the above is just my reasoning in my own head. Nothing I brought up has anything to do with trying to convince anyone that I am either right or more right than anyone else. I just thought it was an interesting option to look at.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 04:17:50
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True enough.
When Tahkisis moved Krynn, I also thought of it supporting infinite space. I don't necessarily like the idea of Tahkisis doing all of that, but hey, that's the way it goes.
I still think I am going to look at Hackjammer and see what it says about this and that and see if it is worth my wife buying. If it doesn't hold a torch to SJ, I'll just regard it as another product on the shelves trying to steal my money!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 04:55:15
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And actually, maybe we look at things differently Sage, but I kinda saw Takhisis moving Krynn as supportive of the infinate space idea, since it didn't really mention her shifting realities or the like . . .
That's certainly true.
But the fact that the "isolated space" issue, and the problems that the other gods had when they couldn't find Krynn suggests that the world was entirely removed from one "space" to another "space" -- outside where it used to reside. I even recall one mention of alternate multiverses.
If Krynn still existed in an infinite space domain, then it was likely that the deities of Krynn would have eventually found the world. The fact that they couldn't, suggests otherwise.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 06:04:37
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And actually, maybe we look at things differently Sage, but I kinda saw Takhisis moving Krynn as supportive of the infinate space idea, since it didn't really mention her shifting realities or the like . . .
That's certainly true.
But the fact that the "isolated space" issue, and the problems that the other gods had when they couldn't find Krynn suggests that the world was entirely removed from one "space" to another "space" -- outside where it used to reside. I even recall one mention of alternate multiverses.
If Krynn still existed in an infinite space domain, then it was likely that the deities of Krynn would have eventually found the world. The fact that they couldn't, suggests otherwise.
I concur. The alternate space explanation makes more sense.
I also agree with CrennenFaerieBane. Spelljammer was my favorite setting for a long time, before I became a Realms junkie. And it worked. There was no need for a change. |
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