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Kajehase
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 Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 05:52:39
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 11:18:24
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3. Throw out all clothes in your wardrobe that's not black.
Oh yes, of course. And step 4, acquiring a bad "Transylvanian" accent, is purely optional.  |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 11:30:46
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5. If smart enough, it will go for the nearest sentient victim that can supply a good meal for the vampire. by using its newly acquired abilites to the fullest and using it well. If the vampire is stupid, stand in the middle of a crossroad or at a junction, thinking "Where should I go? Which area has more food?" (Just a jest) |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 12:15:55
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5. If smart enough, it will go for the nearest sentient victim that can supply a good meal for the vampire. by using its newly acquired abilites to the fullest and using it well. If the vampire is stupid, stand in the middle of a crossroad or at a junction, thinking "Where should I go? Which area has more food?" (Just a jest)
5.1 A nice young virgin is usually the favourite choice of food for an hip vampire, who wants to stay on top of the latest food-fashion.[:OD |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 14:53:26
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| Step 6. Make sure to listen to tons of Bauhaus and stuff from the Projekt label ... oops, that hasn't been invented yet. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 14:58:04
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When at the subject... Where can you find a rule for the process of turning a characgter into a vampire? How long it takes and what changes take place and when?
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1.= be bitten almost to death by a vamp
2.=drink the blood of the vampo who has almost killed you
3.=the process of complete transformation takes about three days when the human internal organ liquate and are expulsed from the body by "natural ways"  , drinking blood for your master vampire is required.
Sorry is one of my favourite subjects.
And optional steps are, recovering your soul and falling in love with a crazy cheerleader/vampire slayer. Or creating a vampire daughter, or even spent the eternity painting or sleeping if you are a damned lazy vampire. 
Also say that the behaviour of the vampires are not well defined. In Buffy Angel and so on are not much least that animals, and if you read Anne rice´s chronicles you will find they are more human.
Many differences about to what are they inmune or not as well. |
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Sir Luther Cromwell
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 16:09:50
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Many different novels give many different interpretations behind this. I'm pretty sure in the Van Richten's guide to vamps they MUST have this, but then again they might not.
I can tell you now that there are a lot of common themes behind becoming a full-fledged vamp. The trouble is, where lies the difference between real vampires, and simple vampire spawn. One set of criteria might be:
For true vampires:
-victim must be of opposite gender (unless the vampire is homosexual)
-victim must be a virgin
-victim must be strong willed, and agree before death in some way (whether they realize what they are agreeing to is irrelavent) to become a vampire
-victim must have an opposed moral (good-evil)alignement to the vampire (usually good, since vamps are usually evil).
-victim can not have gone looking to become a vampire: it must be the vampire's choice to go looking for the victim. No "yo dracula, hit me up, dawg. I want super powers!".
This set of criteria seems to fit a large portion of characters that typically become vampires in vampire novels. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 20:39:44
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I am always talking from Anne Rice's point of view of course there are many other writers who have described the vampire becoming process. But I really think that Ms. Anne Rice is the best one. Don't trying to despise other writers.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 21:51:35
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| According to the rules, you just have to be slain by one of a vampire's special attacks -- there's no further requirements to becoming a vampire. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 21:55:13
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Originally posted by Thelonius Andrass
I am always talking from Anne Rice's point of view of course there are many other writers who have described the vampire becoming process. But I really think that Ms. Anne Rice is the best one. Don't trying to despise other writers.
I've never been a fan of Anne Rice's vampires. I don't like the "Ooh! Vampires are sexy!" school of thought. Luckily, vampires in D&D usually aren't of that particular template. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 22:57:16
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Originally posted by warlockco
And the way she turned the one guy was typical, Vamp drains person, then feeds person blood (Vamp's) to revive them as a Vamp.
I prefer to use that method for creating a free-willed vampire. If a vampire kills a person and doesn't do this, they wind up with a vampire slave. If the vampire kills a person but does the blood-sharing, then the new vampire is free-willed.
That's my preference, anyway. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 02:19:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by warlockco
And the way she turned the one guy was typical, Vamp drains person, then feeds person blood (Vamp's) to revive them as a Vamp.
I prefer to use that method for creating a free-willed vampire. If a vampire kills a person and doesn't do this, they wind up with a vampire slave. If the vampire kills a person but does the blood-sharing, then the new vampire is free-willed.
That's my preference, anyway.
That's the method of vampirism that I've always adopted for my games. I'm not a fan of the science-based "vampiric-gene" theory that is just one of many new trends being touted these days.
The basic "vampiric curse" theory -- the result of some ancient or forgotten magical relic is always an intriguing angle to play in campaigns.
And of course there is the Strahd Von Zarovich "way-to-vampirism"... that being making a pact with an ancient creature of significant power and malice -- who I still think was a baernaloth regardless of what the actual canon material says (which was suggesting that "Death" was an arcanoloth).
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Sir Luther Cromwell
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 03:05:38
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of course there is the Strahd Von Zarovich "way-to-vampirism"... that being making a pact with an ancient creature of significant power and malice -- who I still think was a baernaloth regardless of what the actual canon material says (which was suggesting that "Death" was an arcanoloth).
I've always got a very "Kain kills Abram(sp)" feel from Strahd's final decension into Darklordom. I somehow see Strahd saying 'Am I my brother's keeper?'
And remember, Strahd is no normal vampire. This may be an alternative way to become a totally different bread, which in itself requires a completely vile act of ultimate darkness, done for something such as love or lust (since vamps are commonly associated with both of those things). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 03:11:06
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And remember, Strahd is no normal vampire.
That's why I said the Strahd Von Zarovich "way-to-vampirism"... .
To my RAVENLOFT knowledge, it has only been used twice.
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This may be an alternative way to become a totally different bread, which in itself requires a completely vile act of ultimate darkness, done for something such as love or lust (since vamps are commonly associated with both of those things).
Strahd's transformation was more a product of the creation of the Demiplane of Dread -- it was just a piece of the puzzle that would bring Barovia into the Mists.
But enough meandering through the Realms of Dread... let us return to the subject of vampirism .
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 12:00:00
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Originally posted by The Sage
That's the method of vampirism that I've always adopted for my games. I'm not a fan of the science-based "vampiric-gene" theory that is just one of many new trends being touted these days.
The basic "vampiric curse" theory -- the result of some ancient or forgotten magical relic is always an intriguing angle to play in campaigns.
And of course there is the Strahd Von Zarovich "way-to-vampirism"... that being making a pact with an ancient creature of significant power and malice -- who I still think was a baernaloth regardless of what the actual canon material says (which was suggesting that "Death" was an arcanoloth).
I have a theory about how the first vampires were born.
Have you ever seen the similarities between vampires and lycantrophes. Both can turn into animals. Vampires can´t stand the sun and when the moon is full lycantrophes go nuts (moon reflects the light of the sun).
My theory is that long ago a Necromancer started examining and experimenting with lycanthropes. At some point he managed to combine the effects of lycantrophy and undeath and so the first vampire was born. I maybe wrong (I haven´t read too much about D&D vampires). Any thoughts? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 17:59:14
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
I have a theory about how the first vampires were born.
Have you ever seen the similarities between vampires and lycantrophes. Both can turn into animals. Vampires can´t stand the sun and when the moon is full lycantrophes go nuts (moon reflects the light of the sun).
My theory is that long ago a Necromancer started examining and experimenting with lycanthropes. At some point he managed to combine the effects of lycantrophy and undeath and so the first vampire was born. I maybe wrong (I haven´t read too much about D&D vampires). Any thoughts?
I've never thought that the two were all that similar... I've always assumed that the first lycanthropes and the first vampires were the results of curses. |
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Thelonius
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Spain
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 18:09:32
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| Not really, but there are many explanations, you only have to choose the one that most fits in the game you are playing. You've got the Vampire Chronicles explanation (some kinda of alien in a couple of kings), or the Underworld one, genetic mutation.... Only choose one. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 19:16:19
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Not really, but there are many explanations, you only have to choose the one that most fits in the game you are playing. You've got the Vampire Chronicles explanation (some kinda of alien in a couple of kings), or the Underworld one, genetic mutation.... Only choose one.
Nah, its better to use more than one origin, thus you keep the player's guessing.  |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 19:30:33
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Thelonius
Not really, but there are many explanations, you only have to choose the one that most fits in the game you are playing. You've got the Vampire Chronicles explanation (some kinda of alien in a couple of kings), or the Underworld one, genetic mutation.... Only choose one.
Nah, its better to use more than one origin, thus you keep the player's guessing.
Of course you can always use a combo, and only say them they are being transformed when they can't do anything about it. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 19:46:28
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| maybe the vampires were born in many different ways. like in the last cleric quintet book they were born from the chaos curse |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 22:09:52
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
maybe the vampires were born in many different ways. like in the last cleric quintet book they were born from the chaos curse
That was one vampire -- not all of them.
It appears there's basically two methods to vampirism -- being killed by an existing vampire, or being cursed in some way. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 22:49:16
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The whole being cursed/inheriting the curse duality is the split that has more or less exsisted since Bram Stoker wrote Dracula, and I kind of like it that way. If you think about it in those terms, all the vampires in a given region could be exterminated, and thus no more would be created by innocents being preyed upon. However, all it would take is for someone to do something horrible and heinous to make some kind of pact, and boom . . . vampire plague starts all over again.
While we are on this topic, I wanted to bounce something off all of you. In Stoker's book, someone that died but had faith in their god and wanted to pass on could resist coming back as a vampire. It seems like this was the case in the Cleric Quintet as well. I have always allowed a vampire to animate those who resisted as zombies, even if their souls have found release.
At any rate, I have always had a hard time adjudicating how faithful someone in that difficult situation would remain. Usuallly, if they have always role played their character as a paragon of virtue and a poster child for their dieties worship, I let them simply die. But other, ones that are good but should be tempted, are always a sticky point. I try to role play it as much as possible, but I thought I would see if anyone A) uses the above logic (i.e. the faithful won't come back as vampires) and B) do you have any specific game mechanics to reflect this.
Of course, the wild card is this . . . if you worship a good diety, or a god like Kelemvor, your faith might save you, but what about a worshipper of Mask, for example? |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 08:45:04
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I read from somewhere that the bible has made its own version of the first vampire (I'm not a christian myself so i can not be sure). It was something like her name was Lilith and she was the wife of Adam before Eve. She wanted to wear the pants in the relationship, so God punished her by driving her out of Eden (and thats why we have even number of ribs cause god made two women from Adam). She later sought out the devil and he turned her into a vampire.
Remember I am not sure about this at all. |
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Eremite
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 09:55:47
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I read from somewhere that the bible has made its own version of the first vampire (I'm not a christian myself so i can not be sure).(snip)
No, that's not from the bible. You can search for yourself: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/
I'm not sure if it's an old piece of mythology or a more recent Anne Rice-style invention but it's not biblical.
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 13:08:58
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| yeah sorry about that. I just looked it up from wikipedia. lilith apears in the earlier biblical texts (talmud, kaballa and and dead sea scrolls) and she is a succubus not a vampire. well look it up yourself |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 18:17:02
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| Talanfir, none of those are in the Bible. The dead sea scrolls are (mostly) what is generally called "apocryphal." The Talmud, is in essence a collection of rabbi interpretations on how to read the laws set down in the Torah (and it's still not "biblical"). And kabbala is a form of jewish mysticism (when described in western popular fiction/movie-making, usually involving a lot of mathematical mumbo-jumbo). |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 19:44:32
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| don´t know but as i said im not christian. just go to www.wikipedia.com and put lilith as a search word. there is something about bible there too. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 21:33:42
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| Well, the university-professors I had in Judaism and Christianity would say that there's nothing about Lilith anywhere in the Bible (or the Torah for that matter), regardless of what wikipedia has to say on the matter. Oh, and neither me, nor they, are christians (one might have been a moslem though). |
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Sir Luther Cromwell
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 22:42:34
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The story of Lilith, if I may recall correctly, is something that is somewhat debated across different sects of Christianity. I don't know all of the opinions, but I somehow remember the story that Lilith did not want to be recessive only being one of them. However, likewise since many different sects of christianity look to the same book, to have record of it in there would seal out the controversay.
I maintain that vampires are more than just 'another type of undead'. With EVERY vamp story there seems to be the symbol of betrayal in relationships, giving into lust, and all that good stuff. Your average commoner would make a crappy vampire, and would simply be a vampire spawn. It takes it certain something about someone's character to become a vampire. |
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