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webmanus
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 20:40:52
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Hi fellows!
I have returned to Maplewood Thorp in the Western Heartlands, and have been working with a NPC. Please comment if you like. What do you like? What do you not like? What do you think is wrong, correct, odd, etc. What do you think that I chould change? Or, what needs to be elaborated, further described? Any comments are appreciated.
quote: Helva "the Wise Woman" Description Helva "the Wise Woman", who is known as "mother Helva" by all villagers, was born in Maplewood in the Year of the Saddle (1345 DR). When she was six years old, she was fetched by mother Jhandess and taken away from the thorp. In the Year of the Banner (1368 DR), at the age of 23 years, Helva returned to the thorp and has lived there since. She is the midwife, and also the local healer, of the thorp and the neighborings thorps and hamlets. Helva has a special relation to all children and each newborn children is blessed by her.
Although she is an adept of Lathander, for some unknown reason, Helva has never told the villagers that. They do not know which power of Faerūn she serves, and they have nevered dared to ask. Still, Helva is a highly respected member of the community and few decisions are taken without asking for her opinion. She never requires payment for her services, but she does accept gifts. And, although the potions that she keeps at her home are never for sell, she does give them away if necessary. She has several times been summoned by Josura Hlammel (NG female Tethyrian human Priest 14 of Lathander) to the Healing House of Lathander, the local temple in Scornubel, but she has never honored a call.
Helva has fair skin, black long hair, and brown eyes. She wears usually a simple dress.
Statistics Block D&D 3.0 statistics block. Common is an automatic language, however, when applying the house rules, substitute Illuskan by Common.
Helva "the Wise Woman", Male Tethyrian Human Adept 12 of Lathander: CR 11; Medium-size Humanoid; HD 12d6; hp 42; Init +0; Spd 30 ft.; AC 10; Atk +5/+0 melee (1d4-1, dagger), +5/+0 melee (1d6-1, sickle), or +6/+1 ranged (1d4-1, 10 ft., dagger); AL NG; SV Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +12, Str 9, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 14, Wis 14, Cha 14. Height 5'1" ft. (155 cm), weight 133 lb (60 kg). Skills ((119 skill points)): Alchemy +12 ((+2 Int, 10 ranks)), Craft (basketweaving) +12 ((+2 Int, 10 ranks)), Craft (pottery) +12 ((+2 Int, 10 ranks)), Craft (weaving) +12 ((+2 Int, 10 ranks)), Handle Animal +12 ((+2 Cha, 10 ranks)), Heal +14 ((+2 Wis, +2 Skill Focus, 10 ranks)), Knowledge (geography Western Heartlands) +11 ((+2 Int, 9 ranks)), Knowledge (hearth wisdom Western Heartlands) +14, ((+2 Int, +2 Skill Focus, 10 ranks)), Knowledge (nature Western Heartlands) +12, ((+2 Int, 10 ranks)), Knowledge (religion) +12 ((+2 Int, 10 ranks)), Profession (herbalist) +12 ((+2 Wis, 10 ranks)), Wilderness Lore +12 ((+2 Wis, 10 ranks)). Feats: Create Infusion (Masters of The Wild, page 22), Brew Potion, Iron Will, Skill Focus (Heal), Skill Focus (hearth wisdom), Track. Languages: Chondathan (Calant dialect, native language, automatic), Elven, Illuskan. Possesions: Dagger, sickle, peasant's outfit. Spells per Day (3/4/4/2): 0-level -- cure minor wounds, guidance, purify food and drink; 1st-level -- bless, cure light wounds, detect evil, protection from evil; 2nd-level -- aid, cure moderate wounds, delay poison, invisibility; 3rd-level -- cure serious wounds, remove disease.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 21:24:58
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"She has several times been summoned by Josura Hlammel (NG female Tethyrian human Priest 14 of Lathander) to the Healing House of Lathander, the local temple in Scornubel, but she has never honored a call."
Is the only thing that bothers me. Why is she not going? It would appear that a Cleric of the same deity would be obeyed by an Adept espcially one of lower class levels. You might want to strike that, also if severval requests were not obeyed it might become time to fetch her if a meeting is desired. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 21:29:58
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I actually like that she doesn't answer the call. There could be many reasons why she doesn't. Just because a cleric asks to met her, doesn't mean that cleric has to be obeyed. |
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webmanus
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 22:05:01
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Hi Kuje and Kentinal,
Thanks for replying to my post. I have spent a lot of time thinking about that issue. And, I do not have a good answer yet. I have tought that Helva is kind on independent. I have also thought that she has become famed to some degree, enough for Josura Hlammel to have heard of her. So, I imagine that Josura Hlammel whants to know who Helva is. And, after several calls, invitations, summonings, etc she has still not come.
Yes, I should add some more details ... but, right now, I have no ideas to why Helva does not want to meet Josura. I imagine that Josura suspects that Helva is a "cleargy member" of the "church" of Lathander, but, I do not know what to do with it. For example, how far do you think that Josura's power extend ... I mean, her parish ... or whatever it is called. She is head of the Scornubel temple ... but how far does thus reach ...
And, Josura has level 14 while Helva has level 12. But, that is a kind of game mechanism. And, Josura is a "AD&D Priest" (D&D Cleric ... plus some other class ...) while Helva is a "simple" "D&D Adept". One has a mighty title, while the other has no dancy title ... but who has the right to command the other? Game mechanics suggest that Helva should obey Josura, if she is part of her hierarchy ...
Another issue ... Josura could see Helva as a pagan, or something like that ... what would she do then ...
As you see ... I have too many questions ... Helva is a mistery, right now. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 22:16:52
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Hmm well looking at part of dogma "Place more importance in activities that help others than on strict adherence to rules, rituals, and the dictates of your seniors." I can perhaps see refusal to return. I just think summons is to strong a word. A Paladin might be sent out to collect, encorage a visit.
I would think requested might be a softer word to use. |
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webmanus
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 22:36:02
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I should have looked more detailed at the dogma part. The section you wrote is quite string, that is, it helps quite a lot to understand how this two clergy emmebers should interact. And, uou are right Kentinal, I will change to "request".
I have been thinking in creating possibles conflicts between Helva and Josura. Now, I could joke and write that they are just women ... But then, I might offend many persons, and I would be creating quite a lot of problems for me. However, a possible conflict, and maybe, a too big conflict that maybe should be kept out of roleplaying is if Josura suspects that Helva has helped some women to avoid getting pregnat, or, if she has helped some women with abortion. I really do not know, at this stage, if I should put such kind of morals to role games ...
So, I will continue to think about possible conflicts between Helva and Josura, or others reason for Helva not wanting to meet Josura ... |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 22:49:24
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quote: Originally posted by webmanus
Hi Kuje and Kentinal,
Thanks for replying to my post. I have spent a lot of time thinking about that issue. And, I do not have a good answer yet. I have tought that Helva is kind on independent. I have also thought that she has become famed to some degree, enough for Josura Hlammel to have heard of her. So, I imagine that Josura Hlammel whants to know who Helva is. And, after several calls, invitations, summonings, etc she has still not come.
With the many deities of the realms an Adept of another deity would not be summoned in my view. What might make sense is that Helva took training to achieve first level within some temple so her name was added to the rolls. As 3.x does not require training to move up levels, in some ways does not even require training to achieve first level (except for different starting ages for classes imples some kind of training) so it could follow that Helva was known to the temple and the Cleric wants to find out how well she is doing of even still following the same deity. It is posible might want to encourage Cleric levels as well. The dogma I just quoted can explain why invitation is not replied to, Helva is too busy about taking care of the peoples of her communities.
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Yes, I should add some more details ... but, right now, I have no ideas to why Helva does not want to meet Josura. I imagine that Josura suspects that Helva is a "cleargy member" of the "church" of Lathander, but, I do not know what to do with it. For example, how far do you think that Josura's power extend ... I mean, her parish ... or whatever it is called. She is head of the Scornubel temple ... but how far does thus reach ...
Well the church with such a dogma would tend to control as much as they are permitted to do. Without knowing all the clergy and levels it is hard to say how far a reach would be. It might make sense to go with recieved training from someone (perhaps even the Cleric) years ago so name is known as oposed to trying to determine the religions political boundries. quote:
And, Josura has level 14 while Helva has level 12. But, that is a kind of game mechanism. And, Josura is a "AD&D Priest" (D&D Cleric ... plus some other class ...) while Helva is a "simple" "D&D Adept". One has a mighty title, while the other has no dancy title ... but who has the right to command the other? Game mechanics suggest that Helva should obey Josura, if she is part of her hierarchy ...
Well levels are not just game mechcanics, it also indicates level of skill and in this case degree of divine favor. The higher powered would be entitled to respect in most cases, however that would not mean in chain of command. A more lawful church (as oposed to most nuetral and good) would have a much greater chain of command. The dales might be a district with the highest level Cleric level 4 and in theory in charge of all followers of the dales, also said posible Cleric might not even know Helva's name. Most of the FR religins do not appear to have a Pope like figure that issues orders that all bow to. quote:
Another issue ... Josura could see Helva as a pagan, or something like that ... what would she do then ...
I do not think it would matter, because of the many different faiths in the realms. If Helva claimed to be of the church and was not following dogma this should tend to be a concern. Or if Helva was doing evil, though a Paladin might be sent to take care of that.quote:
As you see ... I have too many questions ... Helva is a mistery, right now.
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Edited by - Kentinal on 07 Aug 2005 22:53:37 |
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webmanus
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 22:54:49
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Kentinal, many many thanks! Your replies gives me new ideas and pushes me forward, helps to develop this NPC. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 23:38:34
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She doesn't have to be a part of the church. Just because she is a follower of Lathander, doesn't mean she has ties to his church. You can be of the deity and still be distant from thier churches. A different mentor could have taught her. |
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webmanus
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 23:46:32
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Thanks Kuje! Yeah, a different mentor. I go with that. Then, I was thinking that the clergy in Scornubel have enough to do with the local inhabitants. Josura will only have invited Helva to Scornubel. And, us Kentinal mentioned, Helva does not go arround and claim that she is a adept of Lathander. So, all this, "pacifies" the relation quite a lot ...
Still, I will further ponder wether I will add some pieces of conflict ... as the suspicions that I wrote above ... |
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