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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 23:17:18
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Now I like the City of the Spiderqueen books...
However did anyone else feel the mage battle between Gromph and the Lichdrow went on way too long.
I can't rememebr the page count of the actual battle, but I know the outcome was not resolved for about 160 pages.
Now the battle was interesting. However I found after chapter upon chapter I was starting to really want it to end. Did anyone else feel this way? Did anyone enjoy that it lasted as long as it did? I think it dragged on too long. It seemed like alot of filler. Do you scribes think I am off the mark there? I would be interested as to what you thought about the mage battle in ANNIHILATION.
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Freakboy
Seeker
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 00:23:51
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Originally posted by Mournblade
Now I like the City of the Spiderqueen books...
However did anyone else feel the mage battle between Gromph and the Lichdrow went on way too long.
I can't rememebr the page count of the actual battle, but I know the outcome was not resolved for about 160 pages.
Now the battle was interesting. However I found after chapter upon chapter I was starting to really want it to end. Did anyone else feel this way? Did anyone enjoy that it lasted as long as it did? I think it dragged on too long. It seemed like alot of filler. Do you scribes think I am off the mark there? I would be interested as to what you thought about the mage battle in ANNIHILATION.
I've read a few posts that complained about this particular battle. I felt the same way the first time I read Annihilation, but having gone back and read the book 3 or 4 times since then, I can say that it doesn't seem so long to me anymore. I think the thing that throws it off is the pacing of the writing in the book. It feels so start and stoppish. I think it was well written, but might have been better served to be spaced in a few segments close together than a few pages at a time throughout the book.
The other big complaint that I have heard is that these too very powerful archmages were using spells that were to weak given their levels. I also thought this the first time through, but going back there is plenty of high level magic being thrown around. It just isn't overly flashy and gets lost in the tedium of leaving the battle and coming back to it several times.
So overall, I don't think I totally agree with you on this point, although I did the first time I read the book. Try going back and reading the book again when you are done and you might feel the same way. |
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wwwwwww
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 17:19:12
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Originally posted by Freakboy
So overall, I don't think I totally agree with you on this point, although I did the first time I read the book. Try going back and reading the book again when you are done and you might feel the same way.
Of course, the cynic would say, "Why should I have to read the book a second time just to find it acceptable?"
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riverc0il
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 22:16:35
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| i am in agreement that the battle was rather long. then again, i usually think most battles longer than two or three pages without adding to the plot or story are too long, which is to say, most realms battle scenes. my favorite authors tend to keep battles short and to the point. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 07:34:48
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Originally posted by riverc0il
i am in agreement that the battle was rather long. then again, i usually think most battles longer than two or three pages without adding to the plot or story are too long, which is to say, most realms battle scenes. my favorite authors tend to keep battles short and to the point.
YEs that is, unfortunately the problem with with FR books. Most fantasy books that are not contracted by gaming companies have quick battles because they want to get back to the story. With the Dragon Lance and WOTC books, you can practically NAME the number on the roll. I am sure the authors, which do a great job, are responding to the editors preferences, but I really wish the WOTC novels would leave the dicerolling to the table top.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 15:44:22
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Originally posted by riverc0il
i am in agreement that the battle was rather long. then again, i usually think most battles longer than two or three pages without adding to the plot or story are too long, which is to say, most realms battle scenes. my favorite authors tend to keep battles short and to the point.
The Gromph battele with the Lichdrow did add story and plot. It was all a focus to show that Lolth returned to power. When Triel came out and smack Dyrr down, it was supposed to be a "triumphant" moment for the real, Lolth-fearing, Drow. It was to show that everything was about to be re-established. Plus, I like the addition of the Half-Dragon in the battle... that was cool.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 22:05:56
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
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Originally posted by riverc0il
i am in agreement that the battle was rather long. then again, i usually think most battles longer than two or three pages without adding to the plot or story are too long, which is to say, most realms battle scenes. my favorite authors tend to keep battles short and to the point.
The Gromph battele with the Lichdrow did add story and plot. It was all a focus to show that Lolth returned to power. When Triel came out and smack Dyrr down, it was supposed to be a "triumphant" moment for the real, Lolth-fearing, Drow. It was to show that everything was about to be re-established. Plus, I like the addition of the Half-Dragon in the battle... that was cool.
C-Fb
I never said the battle did not have its PURPOSE. Only that it NEVER ceased. THe story element could have been accomplished in 1/4 of the pages. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 22:58:45
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Originally posted by Mournblade
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
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Originally posted by riverc0il
i am in agreement that the battle was rather long. then again, i usually think most battles longer than two or three pages without adding to the plot or story are too long, which is to say, most realms battle scenes. my favorite authors tend to keep battles short and to the point.
The Gromph battele with the Lichdrow did add story and plot. It was all a focus to show that Lolth returned to power. When Triel came out and smack Dyrr down, it was supposed to be a "triumphant" moment for the real, Lolth-fearing, Drow. It was to show that everything was about to be re-established. Plus, I like the addition of the Half-Dragon in the battle... that was cool.
C-Fb
I never said the battle did not have its PURPOSE. Only that it NEVER ceased. THe story element could have been accomplished in 1/4 of the pages.
Ok, I concede that... it did seem long winded at times - especially the amount of time dedicated to the Mordenkainen's Disjunction part. It was like 20 pages of what Gromph was going to do and the Lich stalking around outside. I mistook the meaning of your words.
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riverc0il
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 : 23:31:15
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
The Gromph battele with the Lichdrow did add story and plot. It was all a focus to show that Lolth returned to power. When Triel came out and smack Dyrr down, it was supposed to be a "triumphant" moment for the real, Lolth-fearing, Drow. It was to show that everything was about to be re-established. Plus, I like the addition of the Half-Dragon in the battle... that was cool.
C-Fb
i never said this particular battle did not add to the story and plot. but rather i wrote that i thought most battles in WotC do not drive forward the plot at all yet stretch beyond a few pages. that said, a few pages could have made the point about gromph's return to power. the books are short enough for the cost without 1/4 of a book being a single battle :) |
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Bellua Aeneus Lacerta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Aug 2005 : 15:48:51
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| If 2 mages that are Over (1000?) years old each, it had better be an epic battle. I hate when the little orc with an all wooden arrow gets a kill on a high level mage. lol |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2005 : 21:33:18
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Originally posted by Bellua Aeneus Lacerta
If 2 mages that are Over (1000?) years old each, it had better be an epic battle. I hate when the little orc with an all wooden arrow gets a kill on a high level mage. lol
Problem is the battle wasn't epic... it was long drawn out and dry. After A while with the page breaks I would just roll my eyes, and think STILL NOT OVER. Epic battles have been written in the classics, and there is no need to draw them out so much. I like Gromph ALOT. But the battle just would not end.
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Zelg of Cyric
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 11:14:59
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| I disagree that the battle was unesseccarily drawn out. If you pit an undead corperal being of immense magic and intellegence, against a 700 year old archmage of immense magic and intellegence with a ring that constastantly heals him, the battle is going to take a while. |
"Even before he first walked the world as a mortal, Cyric had the will to resist the random call of Fate and make his own fortune. As his newborn soul stood before the goddesses, he cast a light upon Tymora's silver coin, blinding them to his presence. The deities never saw the coin fall, never settled their wager on Cyric's destiny. Thus was he born into the world without any fate save the one he himself could forge." -- from the Cyrinishad |
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Zelg of Cyric
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 11:17:28
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| oh yeah, when Gromph gets bansihed to halfling heaven. I think that might have been the greatest part in the entire series. |
"Even before he first walked the world as a mortal, Cyric had the will to resist the random call of Fate and make his own fortune. As his newborn soul stood before the goddesses, he cast a light upon Tymora's silver coin, blinding them to his presence. The deities never saw the coin fall, never settled their wager on Cyric's destiny. Thus was he born into the world without any fate save the one he himself could forge." -- from the Cyrinishad |
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 05:46:05
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| It was a definitely a very long battle, I thought that it could have been cut down a bit without losing an important plot elements. Overall though it was still a great book and it was a minor inconvience at best |
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Narithal
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 02:32:48
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I agree that it was a long battle, but I still loved it. Actually it was one of my favourite parts of the entire series. But I agree with Beezy, It could have been cut down a tad without losing important plot elements.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 03:51:25
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That's the point - it was an awesome battle - 2 parts that could have been done better - little shorter and Triel shouldn't have ended it all.
C-Fb
P.s. - I mean, I love Triel... she's a hottie, but still, Gromph should have finished it. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 04:00:18
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| Crennen, have a thing for irretreivably evil shorter than average women? |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 04:06:12
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Only when they have that midnight like skin and that hot over-dominated personality... I would have been a perfect Tlabbar patron. :)
Seriously... Triel is like the hottest Drow female to me. Don't ask me why... followed by Vierna Do'urden and Quenthel Baenre.
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Beezy
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 07:44:32
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| I would have liked to see Gromph win as well |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 10:55:56
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
That's the point - it was an awesome battle - 2 parts that could have been done better - little shorter and Triel shouldn't have ended it all.
C-Fb
P.s. - I mean, I love Triel... she's a hottie, but still, Gromph should have finished it.
When Triel stepped in I was like: Blood and ashes!! Why did that (censored) priestess have to (censored) come into the fight! |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 13:05:25
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Yeah, it would kind of be like Szass Tam and Manshoon dueling and then Fzoul stepped in and said, "That's enough." But on the other hand, it is Triel's city and I don't blame her for stepping in and laying the smackdown of the Lich-Drow. The status quo must be maintained for the sake of Menzoberranzan.
C-Fb |
Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 16:58:29
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Yeah, it would kind of be like Szass Tam and Manshoon dueling and then Fzoul stepped in and said, "That's enough." But on the other hand, it is Triel's city and I don't blame her for stepping in and laying the smackdown of the Lich-Drow. The status quo must be maintained for the sake of Menzoberranzan.
C-Fb
The thing that really ticks me off is that she was able to harm Dyrr at all! He should have incinerated her with a glance! |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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