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Rhezarnos
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 Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 12:44:20
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This is some things that I'm trying to figure out right now:
-His portfolio includes revenge, right? So does his followers believe in forgiveness and such?
-Regarding drows, will Shevarash's followers make exceptions to the drow followers of Eilistrae? Or is a drow, no matter what her belief, still just a drow that must be killed?
Sorry for asking but role playing a ranger of Shevarash is hard, especially if there's a drow in the party.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 16:36:08
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| Demihuman Deities says that he tolerates Eilistraee and thus I still believe that his clergy would not kill her clergy on sight if his clergy came upon them. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 17:25:13
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Rhezarnos, it depends on what kind of forgiveness you are talking about. To drow, the followers of Shevarash gives absolutely no mercy.
Also, Shevarash himself isn't a very forgiving god, because I remember reading an excerpt in Weapons of Legacy about how he cursed one of his followers who fell in love with a drow. |
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 17:59:28
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Originally posted by Kuje
Demihuman Deities says that he tolerates Eilistraee and thus I still believe that his clergy would not kill her clergy on sight if his clergy came upon them.
Not kill on sight...but the distrust will still be there?
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Rhezarnos, it depends on what kind of forgiveness you are talking about. To drow, the followers of Shevarash gives absolutely no mercy.
Also, Shevarash himself isn't a very forgiving god, because I remember reading an excerpt in Weapons of Legacy about how he cursed one of his followers who fell in love with a drow.
Would forgiveness towards non-drow be as harsh? Like a paladin who attacked a Shevaran ranger because of some misconception.
I read about the Shevarash's wrath somewhere before. But from where I read it, the elf was struck dead as soon as he stepped into Shevarash's temple, not cursed. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 18:05:46
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I think followers of Shevarash may forgive non-drow. However, they are still known to be a serious and stern bunch so don't expect everything to be smoothen over by an apology.
And yes, you are right. I remember that now. The elf was struck dead at the temple, not cursed. |
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 19:13:10
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| So yes to holding grudges... Got it. I take it that trying to or actually leave his order would also incure his wrath? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 19:15:18
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
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Originally posted by Kuje
Demihuman Deities says that he tolerates Eilistraee and thus I still believe that his clergy would not kill her clergy on sight if his clergy came upon them.
Not kill on sight...but the distrust will still be there?
Sure the distrust would still be there. Never said it wouldn't but since the two deities have come to an agreement then so to would the clergy of said deities, usually. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 22:07:05
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Clergy of Shevarash will "tolerate" followers of Eilistraee if known, otherwise they tend to kill all drow on sight.
Follower of Shevarash: "Look drow let's kill them."
bloody battle..... afterwards....
"Hmm, this one has the symbol of the Dark Maiden under their tunic, check the others."
short while later....
"Oh well, their own fault, for not wearing their symbols openly."
Kill first, ask later if any survive, fits with Shevarash perfectly. |
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Aug 2005 : 02:55:25
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 01 Aug 2005 : 03:28:00
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
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Originally posted by Kuje
Demihuman Deities says that he tolerates Eilistraee and thus I still believe that his clergy would not kill her clergy on sight if his clergy came upon them.
Not kill on sight...but the distrust will still be there?
Sure the distrust would still be there. Never said it wouldn't but since the two deities have come to an agreement then so to would the clergy of said deities, usually.
Of course, this might not always be the case with the fringe elements of Shevarash's clergy. They may consider their distrust to be something that they can use to justify more... "specific" action against the church of Eilistraee.
Religious activity should never be clear-cut.
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Aug 2005 : 04:46:57
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I think that Shevarash' clergy are likely to be tolerant of just encountered followers of Ellistraee.
I don't think for a second that those who keep Shevarash as a patron god will be tolerant, at all.
It's up to the DM whether Shevarash chooses to 'give a sign' (either directly or through clergy) to followers who came upon a group of drow and slew them, only to discover after that those drow were followers of the Moon Maiden.
I think it's unrealistic to take book entries as absolutes.
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Malaysia
131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2005 : 08:03:34
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| So, how should a Shevaran ranger react if he realises that a priestess of Eilistraee is joining the group? Besides leaving or putting an arrow through her, of course. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Aug 2005 : 08:22:52
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That depends: does she like to kill Lloth's clergy? If so, I think they could get along ok.
Just hope that he never loses his visual acuity. If he starts killing anything with black skin and white hair, she's in trouble. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 01:46:51
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I think it would be more constructive if the DM and all players involved agree ahead of time (i.e out of game) that there won't be any party-infighting that ruins play for everyone...unless fights amongst or within the party are what everyone is after.
I think there's plenty of roleplaying opportunity with this scenario, so long as out-of-game agreements are made and adhered to.
The Shevaran Ranger might not talk to the Elistraeen at all, or at only the very minimum to keep the party running. I imagine they'd stay away from each other (opposite ends of the marching order, and all that).
I suppose they'd be roleplayed as talking smack about each other under their breath.
But over time they might develop a minimal sort of begrudging respect, that exists only for those times when they are 'forced' to work together.
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09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 02:07:43
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
So, how should a Shevaran ranger react if he realises that a priestess of Eilistraee is joining the group? Besides leaving or putting an arrow through her, of course.
Also depends, is it a drow priestess or a priestess of another race?
Remember Eilistraee has elven, half-elven and human followers, in addition to drow followers. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 02:17:38
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 02:25:27
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Shevarash is the elven deity of revenge and hatred of the drow. Once, he was a mortal elf, famous as one of the finest archers in the world. When drow raiders attacked his village and slaughtered his family, Shevarash foreswore his former life, vowing to never rest until the drow were purged from the world. Shevarash slew many dark elves, gaining infamy as the "Black Archer" in drow folklore, before he was finally captured and slain. Upon Shevarash's death, Corellon Larethian granted him the spark of the divine, transforming him into a minor deity. (DC 15)
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 03:45:22
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
Why is it Shevarash hates Drow so much?This I don't know and I am curious...
When he was a little elf, a drow bully used to torment him and make him kiss dwarven girls.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 03:46:39
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DDH,
Where you copy and paste that from? Should give the source credit.
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Rhezarnos
Learned Scribe
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Malaysia
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 04:03:58
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Originally posted by warlockco
quote:
Originally posted by Rhezarnos
So, how should a Shevaran ranger react if he realises that a priestess of Eilistraee is joining the group? Besides leaving or putting an arrow through her, of course.
Also depends, is it a drow priestess or a priestess of another race?
Remember Eilistraee has elven, half-elven and human followers, in addition to drow followers.
Drow priestess. We are actually getting along quite well now. One confrontation, a lot of religious lecture, and now the ranger's keeping his distance from her. The priestess wasn't as hateful as the ranger though. She's more annoying him to death now, talking about how every drow could be saved, that he shouldn't generalise. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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1272 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 06:25:54
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| My bad, my fellow scribes. I quoted that right from the WotC website in the Weapons of Legacy exercept. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 04:30:05
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| Not bad, though not entirely accurate. Shevarash lost his family in the Dark Court Slaughter of -4400 DR that destroyed Elven Court and Sarphil, and claimed the lives of two Coronals and several dwarven clan leaders, in addition to many other elves and dwarves. It says he was an archer-guard, probably in the service of one of the Coronals, or possibly one of the two cities. (Cormanthyr, p33) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 07:30:43
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Not bad, though not entirely accurate. Shevarash lost his family in the Dark Court Slaughter of -4400 DR that destroyed Elven Court and Sarphil, and claimed the lives of two Coronals and several dwarven clan leaders, in addition to many other elves and dwarves. It says he was an archer-guard, probably in the service of one of the Coronals, or possibly one of the two cities. (Cormanthyr, p33)
Have to consider the source also. Weapons of Legacy is a Core Book, so it won't have it accurate to Realms History. |
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