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webmanus
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 Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 11:20:29
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The year is 1353 DR, and I have a 6 years old Chondathan lad (born 1347 DR) who needs a master or school for wizards. This Chondathan Daggerdalesman comes from a settled country named Urgarham in southern Daggerdale. His father is a great farmer and the family ownes c 40 acres of cleared farmland. Urgarhamn is located 6 - 8 miles east-north-east of Anathar's Dell and consists of a manor house (surrounded by a small farm and several cottages), a small farm (also surrounded by cottages), and a thorp.
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Edited by - webmanus on 30 Jul 2005 11:34:20
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 11:55:10
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I should add that I imagine that this lad needs to travell far from Daggerdale to find a master (other than Elminster) or school. And, that the boy would not be allowed by his parents to travell to Zhentil Keep to study magic. And travelling would be done together with merchants, a trusted family member, and so on.
Furthermore, if it costs too much, then the boy might not be able to study in a school. After all, his parents are "only" great farmers, that is, a kind of upper middle class (#2154, AD&D Player's Option: Skill & Powers, page 65). Thus, studying with a master might be the only possible way to become a 1st-level Wizard.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 13:06:32
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Well 40 acres most likely will not provide much extra income , even if 3 feild system used. Short of the famil having inherited wealth enough they can not pay to the lad to school.
Best options would be a retired wizard moves into the manor house or the thorp and the young lad is aprenticed to him or other wise becomes a student.
As far as aprentence goes it would not need to be restricted to local arae, the difference between a school and aprtenceship is the amount of freedom the student has. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 15:30:57
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Thanks Kentinal!
I think that a retired war wizard from Cormyr, in Tilverton, could be enough. What do you think? Do war wizards retire?
Durnan "Greatfarmer" from Urgarham (NG male Chondathan human Wizard 1 / Commoner 1, 1347 DR) is one of the c 224 great farmers of Daggerdale. When he was six years old (1353 DR), he left his home to become an apprentice to a retired Cormyrian war wizard in Tilverton. When he came back (1369 DR), his father had died and the work with his home and the farmland had been neglected. He has since then stayed at the family manor house working the land. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 15:47:45
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Sure a War Wizard can retire, anyone whom has enough money can retire.
It looks good to me. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 15:50:58
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Yes, War Wizards do retire. Most to town "upper room" suites, but some to small countryside holds. And yes, taking apprentices is a good form of income (much can be paid in the form of food, firewood, and "come to visit the lad with plowhorses and do the plowing or reaping while we're here" tasks).
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webmanus
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 17:44:17
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Said retired War Wizard could, in exchange for tutoring the lad, be given a small plot of land in that 40 acres. 
An alternative to the War Wizard could be sending the boy to become a cleric in one of the temples of the area. |
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webmanus
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 21:55:32
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Hi Wooly,
My though was that the boy was, for example, the second son of a landowner, and that his father (and mother?) wanted that their son got an education other than beeing a landowner. Then, when the boy returns home, most folks of the community does not know that the young man is schooled in wizardry. Due to that, I wanted the boy to go off (beyond Daggerdale) for studies.
Time ago, when I wrote the background of a character, I used the idea of sending the second (third, and so on) son to the local temple ... I did use it with a John Candy-like young NPC that became a cleric of Tymora at the Shadowdale temple ... RIP both.
Now, I have already decided that my NPC, Durnan, was an apprentice to a wizard in Tilverton. But, I like the idea of giving away a small plot of land ... but, what would that be? Two acres? I can use a variant of this in other parts of the Dales ...
That Tilverton war wizard is most probably also "finito" ... RIP to him too.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 22:59:23
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Originally posted by webmanus
Hi Wooly,
But, I like the idea of giving away a small plot of land ... but, what would that be? Two acres? I can use a variant of this in other parts of the Dales ...
In part it depends on how you want to handle land ownership. A few arcres of land certainly can be transfered however most manor systems were such that the Lord owned the land and just let people work it. There are examples of a Vielen in addition to the taxes owed to the Lord rented a few arces (3) of land of which was not taxed of what was produced on it.
As a pratical matter I would not consider land units of fram land less then 5 acres as worth while. However a 2 acre piece of land where a building could be easily built, a garden could be maitianed plus actual crop land could be atractive.
Crofts (peasants homes) often had 1/2 rood or a rood of garden as part of the home property, this of course in addition to what fields they were allowed to fram for grains. The gardens where used for flax, fruits and vegitables, herbs and dye flowers, etc.
A rood is either 1/4 or 1/8 of an acre (I have not yet pined down an official source deffinitively, though indications more strongly indicate 4 roods = 1 acre) |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 03:20:49
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quote:
Originally posted by webmanus
But, I like the idea of giving away a small plot of land ... but, what would that be? Two acres? I can use a variant of this in other parts of the Dales ...
An acre or two would prolly be more than enough... As a retired wizard, the guy prolly won't be interested in more than just a house and garden. He likely just wants some space to live in peace, not to actually work the land himself. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 04:01:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As a retired wizard, the guy prolly won't be interested in more than just a house and garden. He likely just wants some space to live in peace, not to actually work the land himself.
As a retired Wiz s/he most likely has a place to live already, as for working the land that is what aprentices are for. *wink* Of course could be a summer or winter retreat or second home. There are ways that it can make sense.
As for land for house and garden that would not normally be cut from the fields. This though goes to what model is being used for land ownership. The fief the land was owned by the Noble/Lord and the farmers had rights to farm some part of it.
Other models there was clearly claimed land owned and workers hired to work what the owner could not work themself.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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A Master or a School for a Boy
