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prototype00
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 Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 14:07:20
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For a power gone and dead these many centuries, he certainly is popping up a lot in the realms recently, heck he even gets more coverage than Bhaal who has only been dead for what, 20, 30 years? I'm not counting on Boyd or Ed to drop any hints here, but is there something in the works for the realms, deity wise? A second dawn cataclysm? Another managerial shake-up ala the time of troubles? Or the resurgence of a restless god? Hmmm, it makes one think that the time of troubles was just the start of a larger change.
But then again, I might just be guessing here.
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 14:21:38
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| It is highly unlikely Amaunator will emerge again after perishing due to neglect. But I wonder who would want the Netherese god of beuracracy back when this god does not offer something dynamic like what Shar grants to her followers. It would need a group of loyal faithful to bring this dead god back to life. But to stir up another dawn cataclysm is....less likely given the scars each deity had suffered during that divine war like Helm losing his consort thanks to some deity(I think it was Lathander) mistake or accidental mistake. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 15:30:59
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| If you read Lathanders entry in F&P you'll find that Lathander is indeed playing around with his Dawn cataclysm spells again |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 22:22:11
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| I noticed that in Shadows of Amn, and then read long ago somethin' about it..But yes he have been dead many years..perhaps many centuries |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 09:33:01
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Originally posted by Dargoth
If you read Lathanders entry in F&P you'll find that Lathander is indeed playing around with his Dawn cataclysm spells again
Damn. Why hasn`t he learned his lesson? Is he just plain stoned? |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 13:29:49
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| Small wonder Lathander is so well known for his undying enthusiasm.. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 17:25:06
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Small wonder Lathander is so well known for his undying enthusiasm..
Exactly. He is often blinded by his enthusiasm. |
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RAKKIR
Seeker
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Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 18:20:24
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I noticed in "Waterdeep, City of Splendors" there is some mention that some priests of Lathander believe that two or three different, modern, FR dieities (I know Lathander is one of them) are all "aspects" of Amaunatar that may reform again into the whole However, I do believe the history of at least ONE of those three is known to be otherwise. I personally think it would be very interesting however if Lathander -was- some aspect of Amaunatar that did somehow "come back" so to speak.
It's known that Amaunatar was the Netherese god of time, and law/bueracracy. BUT, above all else, he was the god of the sun.
It would be interesting, to see if, since he is the God of the sun, that his "death" was his own godly metaphor for the "setting of the sun as night falls." But "As each new day rises anew and the sun fresh each morning" he's coming back as Lathander. Lathander is equivelent to the "rising sun of morning" (full of enthusiasm and promise for the future.) and that as the metaphorical "day" passes (hundreds/thousands of years) he will mature and change (as the sun seems to do through the day) and perhaps, over time, assume more of his old ways and be revealed as Amaunatar.
I personally would like that because I dig the metaphor.
I would also like to say I am very pleased that Bane has been brought back too. My DM and I were both very bummed that he was slain by Torm. Then, whe Xvim came about my DM and I had a running hypothesis that..
1: Bane wasn't stupid and had planned for his death.
2: Xvim was nothing more than a Godly, sentient, contingency who only THOUGHT he had free will.
3: Xvim's constant grasp for more and more power almost seemed like "programming." Or, rather the portfolio he had seemed to be one that would cause him to grasp for more and more power.
4: When Xvim reached a certain divine power level, "Critical mass" would be obtained and he would turn back into Bane.
I preached this like the gospel to people for years...and when it finally happened my DM and I capered about like madmen laughing. Thus revealing our true inner geeks to everyone in a pitifull display of nerdly-prowess.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36875 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 19:35:30
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I actually theorized a couple of the same things for Bane's rebirth. I theorized that either a)all the bits of Bane's essence that Xvim absorbed overwhelmed him and allowed his father to be reborn, or b)Xvim was like an incubator, and had to re-absorb lost bits of Bane to be reborn as Bane.
Anyway, let's get back to discussing Amaunator.  |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 12:53:35
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"Power of Faerun" has a mini-capmpaign on p.58-61 called "Ascension of Amaunator" which features a heretic splinter-group of priests of Lathander. If you accept that as canon, Amaunator's faith is reintroduced to the Realms in the 2nd/3rd quarter of the Year of Lightning Storms, 1374 DR.
Remember that "faith" or "church" doesn't necessarily equal "deity". It might well be that Amaunator is dead as ever and the whole thing was caused by Lathander or an altogether different god (for whatever reason...). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36875 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 14:02:09
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Amaunator is apparently back in 4E.
I don't like it, myself. I really like Lathander, for one thing. And, even if Lathandar and Amaunator are aspects of a tripartite sun deity (an idea I dislike immensely), it doesn't seem reasonable to me that the shift from one to the other would happen in such a short span of time. |
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tauster
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 15:11:04
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The same with me, Wooly! I was perfectly happy with Lathander (and the pre-3e Realms at large, but that's another story). Amaunator as a dead deity was great in several ways:
- it was a perfect plot device (ancient artefacts, temple ruins, rotten tomes, etc...)
- it showed that even mighty and "good" gods can die
- Amaunator's character was a nice contrast to it's successor, Lathander
Having Old Sunny back from the dead needs a damn good story background, something far better than what we saw so far (i.e. better than the sellplague, the divine sopa opera, or spell-nuking Haluraa, etc...).
That said, I nevertheless loved the plot from Power of Faerun. It leaves open whether Amaunator really comes back or if all this ruckus is just due to one lone, mortal (and thus, fallible) cleric whose dreaming of returning the Sun god back to live. The story also demonstrates really nicely how intra-faith campaigns can work - something we haven't seen too often yet! |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 16:00:24
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| Rich Baker has outright said that Lathander was Amaunator, and they are different aspects of the same god, corresponding with times of day (morning, noon, dusk, etc). So, in 4e Lathander is gone and Amaunator is there in his place. I do no remember the name of the other aspect of the god, and I seem to remember Rich saying that there is one time of day (night, IIRC) that they do not have a name for. What all was said is a bit foggy in my memory (too many damn video games in college), so if anyone else who read this bit in the WotC forums would like to clear it up, feel free. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 17:33:05
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| Those of you interested in the Amaunator thing, what do you like about it? It leaves me cold. (Not to mention that I think Wizards have no business replacing Lathander and his church before detailing it.) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 17:33:24
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Originally posted by tauster
"Power of Faerun" has a mini-capmpaign on p.58-61 called "Ascension of Amaunator" which features a heretic splinter-group of priests of Lathander. If you accept that as canon, Amaunator's faith is reintroduced to the Realms in the 2nd/3rd quarter of the Year of Lightning Storms, 1374 DR.
It is canon.
I'm not in favor of this change, myself, but I already hate the new Realms on the whole anyway, so complaining about this one little bit would be a pointless exercise for me (if they changed it back, for whatever reason, I'd still hate just about every other change inflicted on the setting). |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 19:55:15
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And can anyone provide an actual link to Mr. Baker's post?
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15246406 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 16:57:41
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| I was seeing the rebirth of Amaunator coming with all of those things in 3E |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 18:57:55
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| I just don't see how a deity at least 6 or 7 centuries old, and still described as young and vigorous, could in the span of a single century become an entirely different deity. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 20:54:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I just don't see how a deity at least 6 or 7 centuries old, and still described as young and vigorous, could in the span of a single century become an entirely different deity.
What!? Wooly, you expect them to start using logic in their decisions for the 4e Realms? Inconceivable! |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 11:05:00
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I just don't see how a deity at least 6 or 7 centuries old, and still described as young and vigorous, could in the span of a single century become an entirely different deity.
What!? Wooly, you expect them to start using logic in their decisions for the 4e Realms? Inconceivable!
Ugh...this appears I must make even more mends and lines to the Redeemers of Dawn...or is it Noon now, or Dusk?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36875 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 12:53:48
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I just don't see how a deity at least 6 or 7 centuries old, and still described as young and vigorous, could in the span of a single century become an entirely different deity.
What!? Wooly, you expect them to start using logic in their decisions for the 4e Realms? Inconceivable!
Ugh...this appears I must make even more mends and lines to the Redeemers of Dawn...or is it Noon now, or Dusk?
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Amaunator isn't even about redemption, so that's more of a pickle for you. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 21:18:26
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What right up is he in Wool? I've got the 3 2ndED God books with Kuje from 2 cons ago, but I guess I need to gather up some information to see how I can continue the story in my head...
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Kuje
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 21:32:55
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
What right up is he in Wool? I've got the 3 2ndED God books with Kuje from 2 cons ago, but I guess I need to gather up some information to see how I can continue the story in my head...
Amaunator does have an entry in Faiths & Avatars, which is one of the three you should have. :) |
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 21:48:47
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Awesome..
We must talk soon;) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36875 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 22:23:59
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
What right up is he in Wool? I've got the 3 2ndED God books with Kuje from 2 cons ago, but I guess I need to gather up some information to see how I can continue the story in my head...
Amaunator does have an entry in Faiths & Avatars, which is one of the three you should have. :)
Yup, and he covers bureaucracy, contracts, law, order, the sun, and rulership. And he's N. Not much there to work with for your Redeemers. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 22:36:39
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:) Well, ya know where to find me.
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Awesome..
We must talk soon;)
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 25 Apr 2008 : 22:39:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
What right up is he in Wool? I've got the 3 2ndED God books with Kuje from 2 cons ago, but I guess I need to gather up some information to see how I can continue the story in my head...
Amaunator does have an entry in Faiths & Avatars, which is one of the three you should have. :)
Yup, and he covers bureaucracy, contracts, law, order, the sun, and rulership. And he's N. Not much there to work with for your Redeemers.
Well, I've only got one real instant response to that non-sense.
What am I going to do... |
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 01:13:06
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
What right up is he in Wool? I've got the 3 2ndED God books with Kuje from 2 cons ago, but I guess I need to gather up some information to see how I can continue the story in my head..
Don't forget the various Amaunator tidbits in both Lost Empires of Faerûn and Power of Faerûn.
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Neriandal Freit
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Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 01:50:49
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
What right up is he in Wool? I've got the 3 2ndED God books with Kuje from 2 cons ago, but I guess I need to gather up some information to see how I can continue the story in my head..
Don't forget the various Amaunator tidbits in both Lost Empires of Faer�n and Power of Faer�n.
Unfortunately at this time I do not own many of the Settings or informative books, so I do actually forget ;) |
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prototype00
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 08:43:34
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Wow, I made that query three years ago. I feel like a prophet now.
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Has anyone noticed the emergence of Amaunator?
