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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 13:47:26
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Hi,
I'm interested in the story of the city of Mintar (Lake of Steam region), mainly the recent shift of power in the hands of the Zents-Banite. I've read that the Fzoul's scepter was forged there..
Which sources I could look for such info?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 14:30:13
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Hi,
I'm interested in the story of the city of Mintar (Lake of Steam region), mainly the recent shift of power in the hands of the Zents-Banite. I've read that the Fzoul's scepter was forged there..
Which sources I could look for such info?
Cloak & Dagger provides some lore on the Scepter of the Tyrant's Eye and its creation.
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 17:01:32
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As the Sage stated, Cloak and Dagger discusses the crafting of the Scepter. Other than that I would refer to the FRCS which mentions some information about the Banite Army in Mintar.
Also the Champions of Ruin details General Timbide who is currently in Mintar. There is some other general information about Mintar in that tome. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 17:52:47
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And unfortunately, Cloak & Dagger is not available as a free download.  |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 14 Jul 2005 17:53:42 |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 21:30:16
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FRCS done, Cloak and daggers done, I'll look at Champions of Ruin :)
Thanks..
I was more thinking about old and obscure sources ;)
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 21:34:41
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Sorry but there probably is no "old and obscure sources" about the Banites in Mintar because the Banite occupation of Mintar hasn't been around for that long.
The Moonsea has long been the focal point for the church of Bane, Mintar is more of a recent venture. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 21:37:51
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 21:47:01
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Ahh......now I see what you're looking for but unfortunately I can't help you there either. I know one of the three sources that have been pointed out mentions that the refugees from Mintar have fled to Saelmur where the clergy of Helm, Torm, and Tyr are deciding on how to handle the situation.
Merchants from Tethyr and Calimshan hoping to sell their wares to eastern Faerun have to travel through Mintar so from its location Mintar looks like it would be a major stop to most merchant caravans (probalby why Banites sacked it). |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 22:10:59
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Empires of the Shining Sea (for the most detail) and Faiths & Avatars (the original source).
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 22:36:42
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| Thanks Eric, I'll very soon have a few questions for you about Waterdeep (I started a campagin there a few months ago and I got your recent work yesterday) on your topic. For what can be done in a less than 200 pages book, it is excellent :) |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 22:38:38
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Empires of the Shining Sea (for the most detail) and Faiths & Avatars (the original source).
--Eric
And a wee bit of discussion about it in LANDS OF INTRIGUE as well.
Steven
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2005 : 03:23:13
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Steven
Who has a hard time thinking of LOI, EotSS, and Calimport as separate products, since they were one long year of development back to back....
Steven, just how difficult was it to determine where you wanted one tome to finish and the other to begin?
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 15 Jul 2005 : 14:17:30
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Steven
Who has a hard time thinking of LOI, EotSS, and Calimport as separate products, since they were one long year of development back to back....
Steven, just how difficult was it to determine where you wanted one tome to finish and the other to begin?
Not difficult at all; we knew exactly what was fitting where in terms of geography. Where it got difficult in my head was having the histories overlapping all over the place. Also, the meta-thinking on the cultures--and what spawned which, etc. in terms of Shoon, Calishite, djinni, etc.--probably still hasn't been sorted out in my head.
One of the reasons you got 40 pages of history for Calimshan et al in Empires was that was all developed and thought out slightly in LOI but needed expansion for the local focus.
Also remember that each history/geography had me playing catch-up/continuity cop on what was said in the past. Thus, oftimes I had to take three steps back to go two steps forward, which always makes the stuff more complex and long.....
But this has strayed way too far off topic, and Alaundo shall beat us if we don't stop.  Anyone who wants to keep this discussion rolling is welcome to drag this over to my group and I'll blather without caffeine there as well.  |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 17 Jul 2005 : 17:21:45
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Steven, all those tomes were filled with wonderful Realmslore, and THE most important information to me contained within them were all the chapters dedicated to the history of that region. Even after all these years, my thanks for your hard work, filling in the blank spots and fixing up inconsistencies  |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 02:46:23
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Hi,
I revive this thread because the PCs are going to take some "vacanties" in the south and the Bane's cleric will want some news about his leader (Darkhope).
We know for sure that the Banites still have under their control both Mintar and Kzelter in 1372.
Campaign date is currently Eleasias (Highsun) 30, 1373. So I'm thinking about when Tethyr/Calimsham should answer this threat, how, and if they will suceeded or not to clean this mess.
I'm currently thinking about using the party as a Strike Team for the Banites agains't a Tetyrian assault. (Heroes of Battle maybe?)
Any ideas, suggestions, missed lore welcome.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 03:18:23
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Question:
Are you treating Baldurs gate 2/Throne of Bhaal as Canon in your game?
*Smacks Kuje with a rolled up newspaper before he can start*
If you are then you may be interested in the following idea
The Banites in Mintar may well have marched West and occupied the City of Saradush
As Saradush was destroyed by the the Fire Giant Bhaalspawn theres not likely to be alot of opposition in eastern Tethyr. Picture it as another Yulash |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 03:25:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth
*Smacks Kuje with a rolled up newspaper before he can start*
It's not my fault that you continue to ignore the 3 to 5 game designers/authors who keep saying the novels are canon. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 03:28:44
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Question:
Are you treating Baldurs gate 2/Throne of Bhaal as Canon in your game?
Like many others visitors of Candlekeep, no..
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
The Banites in Mintar may well have marched West and occupied the City of Saradush
As Saradush was destroyed by the the Fire Giant Bhaalspawn theres not likely to be alot of opposition in eastern Tethyr. Picture it as another Yulash
But I may include Saradush occupation, with another explanation. Thanks telling me.
As a side question for those who consider canon the "Baldur's gate novels", which effects have you done according to the death of the Flaming Fists leader in Baldur's Gate ?
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 03:37:46
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quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic
As a side question for those who consider canon the "Baldur's gate novels", which effects have you done according to the death of the Flaming Fists leader in Baldur's Gate ?
I don't recall him dying in the novels. Page reference of this happening please. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 01 Feb 2006 03:38:19 |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 03:38:12
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Its been a while since Ive played BG1 so I could be wrong
I dont think any of Baldurs Gate leaders are locked into dying.
The Game feature 3
The Duke whose being held as a drugged hostage. The PCs should free him as part of plot
The 2 others are at a Ball near the end of the game and Saravok attacks and tries to kill them. Its possiable to save both of them.
Thus ending the game without any of Baldurs Gates leaders dying |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 03:47:57
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Its been a while since Ive played BG1 so I could be wrong
I dont think any of Baldurs Gate leaders are locked into dying.
Oh, sorry.. I did play to the game (even if I hate non-turn-based D&D game) but I didn't read the novels. Well.. I may have to read them one day.. when I'll have read all the others |
Edited by - Skeptic on 01 Feb 2006 03:48:16 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 05:54:31
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Originally posted by Kuje
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
*Smacks Kuje with a rolled up newspaper before he can start*
It's not my fault that you continue to ignore the 3 to 5 game designers/authors who keep saying the novels are canon.
Why smack Kuje?
We've been told repeatedly that the BG novel events are largely canon -- so as far as the official Realms campaign goes, these events did in fact occur.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 13:29:17
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If someone made a major events summary of those novels, maybe we would me more to add them to our campaign background |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 13:41:04
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Originally posted by Skeptic
If someone made a major events summary of those novels, maybe we would me more to add them to our campaign background
Assuming it survived the editing pass, there will be some info on the Iron Throne / Baldur's Gate continuity mess (which actually wasn't as bad as I feared once I read the novels closely) in a soon-to-be-released product.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 19:06:48
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Assuming it survived the editing pass, there will be some info on the Iron Throne / Baldur's Gate continuity mess (which actually wasn't as bad as I feared once I read the novels closely) in a soon-to-be-released product.
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