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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 09:30:57
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Originally posted by tauster
perhaps there´s another aspect that should be considered when trying to appraise cormyrean mentality about tilverton:
tilverton is (compared with cormyrs ancient history) a very young "acquisition"; it was occupied only a few years ago. before that, iirc (don´t have fr adventures in front of me), it was just a muddy village of sheperds, a small market town with not even a number of stone buildings worth mentioning.
then, cormyr takes over and builds a city wall, new streets, declares that new houses have to be built with stone, establishes a proper administration, city guards and so on. and after a few years, the former town of cattle-breeders develops into a real city.
i imagine cormyreans must have been very proud of that accomplishment ("look what we´ve done: in only a blink of an eye, we´ve grown this muddy place into a proper town!"). i think to most cormyreans, tilverton is an example of how capable their country is.
a few long sighted people (nobles, war wizards, merchants, purple dragon commanders...) might see it as the first step to extending true authority over the stonelands, and even as a lure to entice the near dales into joining the forest kingdom or as a bridgehead for future military advanced into that dales.
in short: tilverton could be far from being "this distant spot somewhere on our border".
Isn't this King Azoun IV vision of the future of Cormyr? |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 17:54:35
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Originally posted by Shadovar
quote:
Originally posted by tauster
perhaps there´s another aspect that should be considered when trying to appraise cormyrean mentality about tilverton:
tilverton is (compared with cormyrs ancient history) a very young "acquisition"; it was occupied only a few years ago. before that, iirc (don´t have fr adventures in front of me), it was just a muddy village of sheperds, a small market town with not even a number of stone buildings worth mentioning.
then, cormyr takes over and builds a city wall, new streets, declares that new houses have to be built with stone, establishes a proper administration, city guards and so on. and after a few years, the former town of cattle-breeders develops into a real city.
i imagine cormyreans must have been very proud of that accomplishment ("look what we´ve done: in only a blink of an eye, we´ve grown this muddy place into a proper town!"). i think to most cormyreans, tilverton is an example of how capable their country is.
a few long sighted people (nobles, war wizards, merchants, purple dragon commanders...) might see it as the first step to extending true authority over the stonelands, and even as a lure to entice the near dales into joining the forest kingdom or as a bridgehead for future military advanced into that dales.
in short: tilverton could be far from being "this distant spot somewhere on our border".
Isn't this King Azoun IV vision of the future of Cormyr?
So Azoun IV wanted to take over the dales? My respect for him just vanished. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 19:36:56
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| He didn't, he wanted the Dales to join Cormyr, which mya sound similar, but is a very different thing altogether. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 01:02:54
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| Actually King Azoun IV thinks that the Dales would be better governed and benefit from a strong government like Cormyr present government, so because of this view by King Azoun IV, many folk are leery of the king's desire to unite the Heartlands under one rule, that is his rule. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 05:55:30
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| Yes, but he didn't want to take over the Dales, if he had, he'd have used the Zhentarim approach. He wanted them to join, because, as has been said before in this thread - Azoun felt they'd be better off as a part of Cormyr. But, and this is the important part, he only wanted them to join voluntarily. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 02:07:02
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| So how exactly did Tilverton get destroyed id they just sack it did some magical explosion consume it completely. As for an effect you think Tilvertons destruction could weaken cormyrs hold on the Storm Horns since it is already full of evil humanoids. Speaking of humanoids did Comryr manage to get that orc horde under control. |
Imagination is more important than knowledge for knowledge is limited imagination encircles the world.- Albert Einstein |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 02:42:38
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| I think not but the Purple Dragons at least prevented them from raiding into the deeper Cormyrean lands. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 02:44:10
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orignally posted by Sembar Flay
As for an effect you think Tilvertons destruction could weaken cormyrs hold on the Storm Horns since it is already full of evil humanoids.
I think Cormyr miltary lost a strategic point for launching assaults against the humanoids. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 02:55:03
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
So how exactly did Tilverton get destroyed id they just sack it did some magical explosion consume it completely. As for an effect you think Tilvertons destruction could weaken cormyrs hold on the Storm Horns since it is already full of evil humanoids. Speaking of humanoids did Comryr manage to get that orc horde under control.
Tilverton got destoryed because a reaction between powerful Weave and Shadow Weave magic. Vangerdahast had created a "light orb" artifact that would destory the Shades instantly with its rays and was using it in the battle in Tilverton. However, then one of the Princes of Shade unleased powerful shadow magic on it that caused deadly shadows to expand and consume all of Tilverton. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 02:57:33
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
So how exactly did Tilverton get destroyed id they just sack it did some magical explosion consume it completely. As for an effect you think Tilvertons destruction could weaken cormyrs hold on the Storm Horns since it is already full of evil humanoids. Speaking of humanoids did Comryr manage to get that orc horde under control.
Tilverton got destoryed because a reaction between powerful Weave and Shadow Weave magic. Vangerdahast had created a "light orb" artifact that would destory the Shades instantly with its rays and was using it in the battle in Tilverton. However, then one of the Princes of Shade unleased powerful shadow magic on it that caused deadly shadows to expand and consume all of Tilverton.
I think the light orb did not really destroy the shades but instead robs them of their shadow abilities like prevent them from entering the shadows again and kind of "paralyzes" them. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 03:52:13
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| Actually, the light from the orb burned them into like ashes outright. Read pg. 325 of The Siege. It talks about how the light stabs through the Shades' chest and then turn them into nothing but dissolving black smoke. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 03:58:37
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Actually, the light from the orb burned them into like ashes outright. Read pg. 325 of The Siege. It talks about how the light stabs through the Shades' chest and then turn them into nothing but dissolving black smoke.
Perhaps.....my mistake it seems. It appears that the shades light control abilities aren't that good after all. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
Edited by - Shadovar on 03 Jul 2005 03:59:34 |
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JessiWolf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 05:31:23
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| Does anyone know if Tilverton was formally absorbed into the nation of Cormyr before or after Azoun's death, being that both events took place in 1371. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 14:27:20
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Originally posted by tauster
perhaps there´s another aspect that should be considered when trying to appraise cormyrean mentality about tilverton:
tilverton is (compared with cormyrs ancient history) a very young "acquisition"; it was occupied only a few years ago. before that, iirc (don´t have fr adventures in front of me), it was just a muddy village of sheperds, a small market town with not even a number of stone buildings worth mentioning.
then, cormyr takes over and builds a city wall, new streets, declares that new houses have to be built with stone, establishes a proper administration, city guards and so on. and after a few years, the former town of cattle-breeders develops into a real city.
i imagine cormyreans must have been very proud of that accomplishment ("look what we´ve done: in only a blink of an eye, we´ve grown this muddy place into a proper town!"). i think to most cormyreans, tilverton is an example of how capable their country is.
a few long sighted people (nobles, war wizards, merchants, purple dragon commanders...) might see it as the first step to extending true authority over the stonelands, and even as a lure to entice the near dales into joining the forest kingdom or as a bridgehead for future military advanced into that dales.
in short: tilverton could be far from being "this distant spot somewhere on our border".
I agree, Tilverton was the Cormyrean frontier, the symbol of increased greatness in the future and a gateway towards national ambitions in the Stonelands and the Dalelands. Also, tilverton was not only destroyed, but a substantial area in a highly strategic location was rendered permenantly unsuitable for human habitation (and therefore expansion). Cormyr's future ambitions are now contained by imposing geographical barriars on all sides (Sembia would constitute an imposing-and potentially threatening-political barriar). All of this has happened after a prolonged period of national trauma which was itself preceded by decades of optimism, power, and progress. Finally, the Shadovar still constitute an existential threat to a diminished Cormyr. Look at Western Europe after World War 11, and you'll get a good idea about the extent of damage done to Cormyr by the destruction and magical contamination of Tilverton. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 16:06:42
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World War 11 ? ... don't you mean World War 2 ( II )
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what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 21:11:37
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Originally posted by Sian
World War 11 ? ... don't you mean World War 2 ( II )
*g*
Yeah, I always make that mistake
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