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Lucius
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 :  12:03:04  Show Profile  Visit Lucius's Homepage Send Lucius a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Just wondering if there is a quarterly or something similer released by WotC. I'm soon to run my first Realms game, and really want it set in the North or Western Heartlands. Does anyone know if either of these books are due to be released sometime soon?

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Alas where only getting one Regional Source book this year ie City of Splendors. Next years FR line up has yet to be announced

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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Alas where only getting one Regional Source book this year ie City of Splendors. Next years FR line up has yet to be announced



Indeed and any speculation as to the next regional source book's focus is just that...speculation only.
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Lucius
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Hmm, looks like I'll just have to rely on the 2nd edition PDF files then. ;)
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3e's Silver Marches is all about the North. :)

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The Sword Coast North* is far too big a region to cover in one 160-page sourcebook. That's partly why Silver Marches worked so well: it realized you had to break it down into smaller parts in order to get any depth and not spend half its time recapping existing information. Problem is most of the other parts of the North aren't so glamorous with such an obvious hook.

* Funny how current useage of the North has switched to meaning 'Sword Coast North' at the expense of the wider meaning of 'north of the Inner Sea'.
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

* Funny how current useage of the North has switched to meaning 'Sword Coast North' at the expense of the wider meaning of 'north of the Inner Sea'.



Current usage? What about FR1 Waterdeep and the North or The North boxed set? The North has always, so far as I know, referred to the northern part of the Sword Coast.

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Brian R. James
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Which is why I usually refer to it as the Savage Frontier. The North is misleading and a bit too generic. It would be more accurate to call it The Northwest

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Current usage? What about FR1 Waterdeep and the North or The North boxed set? The North has always, so far as I know, referred to the northern part of the Sword Coast.



Faraer is quite correct. If you grab your DM's Sourcebook or Cyclopedia from the Ol' Grey Box, there are even references to the Moonsea being in 'the North'. Personally, given how long a geographical spectrum such as 'north' is in the Realms, I like the fact that it's been truncated somewhat.

I'm finding the same problem at the moment with the 'east'. What are it's southern parameters (north isn't so bad)? Do I stop at Mulhorand or include the Old Empires and even the Vilhon Reach? I'm tempted to add bare detail re the Old Empires but after my historical treatment of the East, I'll likely move onto either the Dalelands and Moonsea or the Old Empires/Vilhon Reach (I'll call this grouping 'the Cradlelands' methinks).

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Current usage? What about FR1 Waterdeep and the North or The North boxed set? The North has always, so far as I know, referred to the northern part of the Sword Coast.



Faraer is quite correct. If you grab your DM's Sourcebook or Cyclopedia from the Ol' Grey Box, there are even references to the Moonsea being in 'the North'. Personally, given how long a geographical spectrum such as 'north' is in the Realms, I like the fact that it's been truncated somewhat.


Well, they may have re-delineated where the North is, but I'd hardly call it a current thing. FR1 Waterdeep and the North isn't that much more recent than the old grey box.

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Faraer
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'The North' has always meant both
-- the geographical and cultural region north of the Sea of Fallen Stars, as distinct from the South. Similar in cultural meaning to Jeff Grubb's term 'Heartlands' but including parts north of that
-- the region that's north from the point of view of the major population centres of the North (above sense), i.e. mainly north of Waterdeep.

No surprise this falls prey to 3E's simplification of terms.

I bet useage of 'the East' varies widely, without such clear geographical dividers as the Inner Sea and the High Moor and the High Forest. East of the Easting Reach and Bay of Chessenta would be common.

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Lucius
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To be honest, only discovering the Realms this year, I find the various terms for the North a little confusing. The Savage Fronties, The North, The Sword Coast North and the Silver Marches...it can be rather confusing for someone not too knowledgeble in Realmslore, especially when some of the areas overlap.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lucius

To be honest, only discovering the Realms this year, I find the various terms for the North a little confusing. The Savage Fronties, The North, The Sword Coast North and the Silver Marches...it can be rather confusing for someone not too knowledgeble in Realmslore, especially when some of the areas overlap.



For the longest time, The North, pretty much referred to ALL of those areas, and still does to an extent.

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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 :  22:39:00  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

The Sword Coast North* is far too big a region to cover in one 160-page sourcebook. That's partly why Silver Marches worked so well: it realized you had to break it down into smaller parts in order to get any depth and not spend half its time recapping existing information. Problem is most of the other parts of the North aren't so glamorous with such an obvious hook.

* Funny how current useage of the North has switched to meaning 'Sword Coast North' at the expense of the wider meaning of 'north of the Inner Sea'.


Again I publicly state my preference for several "perfect bound" (i.e. paperback) regional books at under twenty dollars than a few grotesquely over-priced thirty and forty dollar books covering only one area (or evil cults or new races -- gotta have new races, the Realms just don't have enough races -- twenty races ain't enough, no sirree, gotta add new ones to justify expensive books on topics no one wanted to read about in the first place!).

The standard I use to decide if a non-art book is over-priced or not is whether it is cheaper to buy it as a book or to photocopy someone else's book (I have long years of experience photocopying sections of legal and medical books, as do most students at law or medical school!).

It costs US$24 to photocopy 160 pages at 15 cents a page; a 160 page book which costs more than that is extremely overpriced! (In practice, bulk photocopying costs less than 10 cents a page, but the quality is low compared to a book.) Generally, I use ten cents a page as the value of a book which doesn't have separate color plates, which are very expensive to publish (and at least a buck a page to copy -- inadequately). A 160 page book which costs more than $24 is a rip-off, in my opinion. If someone will not or cannot purchase such an expensive book, I don't criticize them for using a photocopy instead of buying it. It is the writer whom I feel sorry for in such a case, being denied a royalty, but the reader would not buy it at that price anyway, so if they use a photocopy they are at least making use of the author's thoughts. Do please note that I am critical of those who can afford books if they use photocopies instead of buying them, but if it comes to a choice between the poor having a book and not having it, I will lean towards whatever option allows them access to a book. If a publisher wants to grossly over-charge for their material, they have no one to blame but themselves if people make unauthorized copies just to get the material into circulation among the downtrodden masses. (Is my Neutral Good alignment showing?)

BAH! I am still buying 2E Realms books. We'll all be dead of old age before Hasbro finishes publishing affordable area handbooks for all of Toril. Grrr....

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I will agree that sometimes the books are a bit overpriced, but I will disagree on just about everything else you said.

I don't feel that any Realms book has been useless or on topics no one wanted to read about.

And I certainly can't condone or encourage an illegal activity like photocopying copyrighted material. If you can't afford a book, then don't buy it. Don't make Wizards lose money on it -- hence, driving up the costs for everyone -- by illegally obtaining it. It's simply wrong.

When there's a book I want that I don't want to pay cover price on, I find another legal way to obtain it. FRPGames.com, for one, generally has a nice discount on role-playing material. Amazon.com, I believe, usually discounts new stuff, too. And I'm sure there's other websites that other scribes can recommend.

I'm a big fan of eBay for the reason of saving money. Complete Arcane, for example, retails for $29.95. I wanted it, but not enough to pay that price.

I could have gone to Amazon.com, which currently lists new copies at $19.77. Instead I hit eBay, this afternoon winning an auction for the book for $17 -- with shipping.

I am getting the book for what I consider to be a fair price, and I am doing it legally. If you can not do the same, then don't get the book.

Kindly don't encourage illegal behavior in the future -- especially in the presence of those who obtain the same material thru legal means.

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I always find it funny that when someone's hobby is say, golf, no one advocates that if they cannot afford golf clubs, or that golf clubs are not of the quality that they should be, that they then find a way to steal the golf clubs, or that if the green fees are too high that they sneak onto the course. But if books or video games are too expensive, some people in our culture have no issue with stealing them. I know its tempting, and I know its sometimes hard to go against the grain when everyone else does it, but it is wrong. Don't look at WOTC or some game publisher and blame them for not putting out high enough quality books or games. When Ford Pinto's caught fire when you bumped into them no one advocated carjacking them since it was Ford's fault for making them defective.

The fact of the matter is that many people that aren't EVIL CORPORATE TYPES depend on the EVIL CORPORATE TYPES to make money and get paid to feed their families and continue to create new products for you and I. And that having been said, EVIL CORPORATE TYPES sometimes aren't nearly as evil as they seem either, though they can make dumb, greedy mistakes.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I will agree that sometimes the books are a bit overpriced, but I will disagree on just about everything else you said.

I don't feel that any Realms book has been useless or on topics no one wanted to read about.

And I certainly can't condone or encourage an illegal activity like photocopying copyrighted material. If you can't afford a book, then don't buy it. Don't make Wizards lose money on it -- hence, driving up the costs for everyone -- by illegally obtaining it. It's simply wrong.

When there's a book I want that I don't want to pay cover price on, I find another legal way to obtain it. FRPGames.com, for one, generally has a nice discount on role-playing material. Amazon.com, I believe, usually discounts new stuff, too. And I'm sure there's other websites that other scribes can recommend.

I'm a big fan of eBay for the reason of saving money. Complete Arcane, for example, retails for $29.95. I wanted it, but not enough to pay that price.

I could have gone to Amazon.com, which currently lists new copies at $19.77. Instead I hit eBay, this afternoon winning an auction for the book for $17 -- with shipping.

I am getting the book for what I consider to be a fair price, and I am doing it legally. If you can not do the same, then don't get the book.

Kindly don't encourage illegal behavior in the future -- especially in the presence of those who obtain the same material thru legal means.



I don't encourage illegal behaviour; I offer no condemnation of those who are obliged to either resort to photocopying or else obliged to simply stop playing the game.

I utilize RPGnow and eBay. I have paid through the nose for 3E FR books, and I have more sympathy for poor people who are forced to use illegal copies than I have for Hasbro, which is milking every penny they can from D&D players to balance out their dwindling profits from their failing doll and other toy lines.

As I said above, I sympathize with writers who are losing royalties from player-made copies, but I am not so stone-hearted as to tell someone, "If you can't afford a book, don't play the game."

"Economics is the social science of balancing people's unlimited desires with limited resources." Most people do not have unlimited resources, and so have to make choices about their purchases, and in this imperfect world some people will wind up unhappy, either because they cannot afford what they want, or they cannot sell what they have, or because they regard other people's decisions as incorrect.

I am of the opinion that neither publisher nor writer nor book dealer is harmed because someone who would not or could not buy a book at the retail price uses a reader-made copy. If an illegally made copy is used by someone who would not have been able to put money into the pockets of those in the regular book trade, how does that harm writers, publishers, or dealers? Would they have received money from that reader otherwise? No. Is there a chance that the reader will decide at some point in the future to buy a copy of the book which has provided pleasure as a cheap photocopy? Most definitely yes! In the intervening period the book will have been used in play and stimulated an interest in other, more affordable books and supplements. Telling that person, "You're poor, so you can't play our game," will ultimately yield no sales and no royalties or profits for anyone.

Gaming is a hobby which stimulates consumption; if Wizards stifles people's ability to play by grossly over-charging for basic books, those who cannot afford those books and decline to use reader-made copies (because they are illegal, immoral, or fattening) will never buy any other D&D books in the future; their dollars will go toward movies, video games, CDs, DVDs, car stereos, or any of ten thousand other options. I believe that it is ultimately in the best interest of everyone if such material is affordable from the get-go; price-gouging by Wizards of the Coast benefits no one but Hasbro, and them only in the very short term -- every person who can't afford a basic D&D book is a person who won't buy supplement after supplement in the future. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in the Sony Betamax case hinged in part on this argument: stifling the purchase of basic materials stifles the purchase of subsidiary materials.

I see your point, Wooly, but this is a matter which goes right to the heart of economics, and there is a strong divide between those who favor allowing published material (be it books or music or movies) only to those who can afford to pay in cash money whatever the publishers demand, and those who believe that intellectual property should be made available to all. We're barely a month on from another U.S. Supreme Court decision on that subject, and is there anyone but a few record companies who were satisfied by that decision? No.

I'm not such a Commie as to say that creators have an obligation to provide their creative juices to their comrades at no cost -- I read Atlas Shrugged! -- but I do think that when a publisher chooses to far exceed the fair market value of materials (and I stated earlier what I believe those to be with books), then they have no one to blame but themselves if people resort to illegal or fattening methods to get to the intellectual property which they are being denied.

The post to which I replied referenced 160 page books. Do you honestly believe that US $30 is a fair price for 160 pages, Wooly? Would you go up to some poor kid and tell him to go play in the street instead of using a photocopy of a $30 book? The questions are rhetorical; you needn't answer. But, TANSTAAFL -- whoever made such a copy had to pay someone for it. If $24 photocopied books are made at Kinko's instead of Wizards, we can see how the brutal laws of the dismal science played out -- Kinko's got that kid's limited resorces instead of Wizards because Wizards chose to price-gouge. If Wizards produced affordable perfect bound books relatively fewer people would make reader copies of them out of economic necessity, and -- ta dah! -- fewer copies would be made, because perfect bindings don't stand up to being laid flat for photocopying; someone who tries to copy a whole perfect bound book will probably break the spine and have to buy a second copy or else deal with a hundred-plus loose sheets in a paper folder. Perfect bound books are also cheaper to produce and would require a smaller outlay of Wizards' annual publishing budget, so they could afford to publish more books, meaning more work for writers.

My often-stated assertion that D&D is better served by perfect bound supplements than over-proced hardbacks rests on the belief that publishing in that way serves everyone better: players, dealers, writers, artists, and Wizards of the Coast, too. Wizards obviously doesn't see it that way. I would have to ask them, though, "Did Magic: the Gathering succeed because booster packs cost US$5.00 each or because they only cost $2.00 each? Did they sell millions of packs at $5.00 or at a more affordable $2.00? Did the artists and copy writers get work selling material for cards that only the rich could afford, or selling copy for cards that even poor kids could afford? Which was the successful business model: a cheap game sold in tens of thousands of units, or an expensive game sold in mere thousands of units?

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I've heard the "if they won't buy it to begin with then the publisher isn't loosing any money" arguement before. I've heard it from people that just spent $350 dollars on a new video card and don't have $50 left to buy Doom 3. I have a really hard time beleiving that the ONLY people who ever have illegal coppies of books, games, etc. are those that cannot afford them.

The problem is in your photocopying example above, the person would have ot have SOME money to photocopy. What you are argueing is not someone that can't afford A book, but someone that can't afford EVERY book and doesn't want to miss out on anything that sparks their fancy. The fact of the matter is if you don't have enough for EVERYTHING then you have to choose what is best, which is why you read your fellow scribes notes and reveiw and you go to sites you trust and read reveiws there. Barring that, you ask your friends that play what is worth playing.

Also, you don't need to own a single book to play. Besides the fact that the SRD is available with the basic rules on it for free, the majority of my players in high school never owned a single rulebook of their own. They showed up early to the session and updated their chatacters.

Before you point this out, yes, I was using a generic you. You did indeed mention that you do buy game material yourself.

Finally, this is a hobby. Its a fun hobby, and one that I am very happy to have, and one that I am very happy to share, but no one NEEDS role playing books, nor is there any right to have them. If you are so poor as to not be able to afford any games you may have some other priorities to deal with before you worry about obtaining illegal coppies of books that interest you.
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I'll say this much, I've highjacked too much of this thread on an unrelated topic, but I felt obligated to put forth my opinion on the matter. I appologize for the derailment and I will hereby not further darken this particular thread with another word not pertaining to the original topic.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth


I can hear Alaundo muttering as he comes down the hall "Do I use the Wand of Editing or the Rod of Thread closure?"



I hope neither. This is something which cuts to the heart of role-playing.

Yes! It is entirely possible to play without books (without dice, either -- I've run for a newbie that way a couple of times). But the books are good to have.

I favor a wide availability of many books. Others disagree. I don't see anyone reaching for a knife, though, nor I do expect it. (Of course, I don't expect the Spanish Inquisition, either.)

I think that one of the reasons the Forgotten Realms is so popular is that for a decade TSR published relatively inexpensive perfect bound books which people could afford to buy and did. I think that if Wizards does the same, they will sell more 3E books. Others disagree.

Will I buy a thirty dollar book on the Sword Coast North, then a thirty dollar book on the Ancient Empires, then a thirty dollar book on the Lands of Intrigue? No. Would I buy three fifteen or twenty dollar books of the same regions? Absolutely. Am I alone in feeling this way? No. Do I honestly think that this is a better way for the game to progress and bring in new players? Yes. Do others disagree with me? Yes. Did anyone ever solicit me to make illegal copies of perfect bound 2E books? Once. Have people solicited me to make illegal PDFs of 3E FR books? Twice last month alone. Will they get those books as illegal PDFs from someone else since I didn't agree to make them? Yes. Do I spend good hard cash on Wizards stuff? Yes. The proof's in my "Amzn" wish list.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth


I can hear Alaundo muttering as he comes down the hall "Do I use the Wand of Editing or the Rod of Thread closure?"



Well met

Very nice, Dargoth, I like it

Indeed, let us not stoop to corporate bashing herein. Anymore to be said on a book on the North? hmm?

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quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth


I can hear Alaundo muttering as he comes down the hall "Do I use the Wand of Editing or the Rod of Thread closure?"



Well met

Very nice, Dargoth, I like it

Indeed, let us not stoop to corporate bashing herein. Anymore to be said on a book on the North? hmm?


I would welcome very detailed perfect bound books on 3E versions of The Savage Frontier (i.e. northwest Faerűn around Luskan and the Icewind Dale), The Dalelands, The High Ice, Vaasa & Damara Mulhorand, Chessenta, Unther, Amn, Tethyr, and Calimshan,the Vilhon Reach and Sea of Shining Stars, Maztica, Narfell,the North Country, Rashemen, Thesk, and Aglarond (covered only lightly in The Unapproachable East), Kar-tur, Shou-lung, Skullport, and hmmm..., how about let's just start by updating all of the existing 2E material which sages here have in their files and new players don't? Just to show I've got game, if Wizards told me to put my keyboard where my mouth is, I would update one of the old books in exchange for a wrist brace, credit, and complimentary copies.

I am a lover of the Forgotten Realms milieu and I actively promote it. I am certain that there are many other amateurs who have done professinal-quality work on "fluff" topics while the professional game designers have been working on "crunchy" books. Could the best of the amateur work not be sought out to compliment (in low cost adventures or supplements) the high end professional work?

In brief, what I want is:

more,

MORE,

MORE!

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my players were in spine of the world region and i used my old snd edition material... but i am waiting a book about north eagerly... that is a region of the world which i like very much...

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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 :  17:40:34  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Do you honestly believe that US $30 is a fair price for 160 pages, Wooly?
I think it's an amazing bargain, and I think your perception is probably skewed by our society's undervaluing of books (with its consequent decapitalization of the publishing industry). It is, moreover, no more than what TSR/WotC books have always cost. In comparison, mono softcover 128-page books in 1990 were $15, $22 adjusted for inflation. Two-colour softcover 160-page books with poster maps were $25 in 1998, $29 in today's money. With modern online and high-street discounts, RPG books are cheaper, in practice, than they've ever been.

I'm a socialist, but given the existence of the market economy, it's necessary for people to buy things and not steal them for writing to be anything like a viable profession -- which at the moment it is for a tiny minority of professional creative authors. I'm not going to make moral judgements about less well-off people downloading pirated copies, but those are the facts of the situation.

Edited by - Faraer on 05 Aug 2005 17:43:02
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 :  19:37:43  Show Profile Send Crennen FaerieBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rock on. I totally understand where you are coming from Faraer. If WOTC were to charge any less, the more innovative and imaginative talent may seek employment somewhere else. And I currently like the staff they have on hand a lot. Plus, in all likelihood, WOTC is not making tons of money off of the retail margin - remember all the channel members it has to go through first that add on to the final cost. I think $30 in this day and age is great compared to the $50 some people are paying for a video game they play through only once.

C-Fb

Still rockin' the Fey'ri style.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Aug 2005 :  23:14:34  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the "home" Realms campaign, Ed has always used three terms: "the North" (collective everywhere in Faerun north of the Inner Sea and north of Waterdeep, respectively); "the Sword Coast North," and "the Moonsea North."
TSR and WotC, over the years, have gone all over the place on their usage, but Ed has always stuck to the above.
love,
THO
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